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    2. BrendanEich‏Verified account @BrendanEich 27 Jan 2019
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      Replying to @realbenastonnn @realbenaston @graydon_pub

      I'm using "Better is better" rhetoric. Obviously we would rather have had a Turing-incomplete language for 3rd party scripts, perhaps even more restricted -- CSS atop HTML these days is TC, IIRC. For 1st parties, sandboxed JS is good until the 1st party gets infected/goes rogue.

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    4. BrendanEich‏Verified account @BrendanEich 27 Jan 2019
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      Dorothy Denning 1999 award speech (https://faculty.nps.edu/dedennin/publications/National%20Computer%20Systems%20Security%20Award%20Speech.htm …): "Technology was moving way too fast. Customers wanted the latest systems. They wanted Windows. They wanted to hook up to the Internet. Systems with security flaws were going out the door, and customers gobbled them up."pic.twitter.com/HAtmolbKN6

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    5. Graydon Hoare‏ @graydon_pub 27 Jan 2019
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      Sure. I’m not saying I don’t know how it happened. Just not going to sugar coat the outcome: it’s a technical mess, 10mb pages of weird custom scrollbars and malware, and that mess puts its most prized virtues — as an infosystem — at significant risk.

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    6. David Humphrey‏ @humphd 27 Jan 2019
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      And yet, it's the abuse of the infosystem (sans code) that may yet be the thing that kills us all, while we're all busy arguing about the merits of scrollbars.

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    7. Graydon Hoare‏ @graydon_pub 27 Jan 2019
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      Fair too. Probably I’m 75% angry about the fact that all this happened during a period of regulatory minimalism and starved public investment and I’m just shouting my disappointments of market failures in general at JS & web tech.

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    8. Graydon Hoare‏ @graydon_pub 27 Jan 2019
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      I do remember that much of the quality web was done with static pages and/or CGI+forms tho. I think nothing really screamed “needs JS” until gmaps, which could easily be its own desktop program. Anyone can see it’s worth installing.

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    9. Patrick Walton‏ @pcwalton 27 Jan 2019
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      Which means that, in practice, it would have been a big pile of Petzold-style Win32 code we’d be dependent on to this day. How would that have been an improvement?

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    10. BrendanEich‏Verified account @BrendanEich 27 Jan 2019
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      Replying to @pcwalton @graydon_pub and

      Sounds like Android :-P.

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      Patrick Walton‏ @pcwalton 27 Jan 2019
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      Right! My opinion: The Web is the worst popular UI platform out there, except for all the others. (Maybe with the exception of Cocoa/Cocoa Touch with Swift, but that’s wedded to Apple so can’t be an industry wide solution.)

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        2. BrendanEich‏Verified account @BrendanEich 27 Jan 2019
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          Noting web app vs. text-y infosystem fixed points may miss more than transclusion (as @sayrer pointed out in protected tweets). Web mashups, crash-and-carry, hyperlinks in/among apps suggest backward look at any point cannot encompass future. Don't split the Web into exe vs dat!

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        3. Graydon Hoare‏ @graydon_pub 27 Jan 2019
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          Shrug, I think the distinction is pretty robust. Does the person serving the data get to run code? I mean I guess we can split hairs about computation theory but like FTP, IRC, Gopher and NetNews were totally inert data. It’s not that blurry a line in practice.

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        2. Patrick Walton‏ @pcwalton 27 Jan 2019
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          I’m hardly a fan of all the new trends: I’ve always been deeply skeptical of React, for instance. But I actually like the “plain old Web apps” dev experience, especially with TypeScript to make JS nicer/more scalable.

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