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    1. Tamas Blummer‏ @TamasBlummer 11 Dec 2018
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      That's gross I agree. It must be some exceptional size of code base and some very disruptive change to it.

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    2. Pierre Chapuis‏ @pchapuis 12 Dec 2018
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      Replying to @TamasBlummer @dakami @rustlang

      You don't need an exceptional size of code base to have this issue, just your regular 6-figure LOC industrial project. Exceptionally large code bases have compile time issues in C++ (that's a major reason why Google created Go).

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    3. Dan Kaminsky‏Verified account @dakami 12 Dec 2018
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      Replying to @pchapuis @TamasBlummer @rustlang

      Where Chromium is building in 30-45 minutes, Firefox is taking 12-24 hours. Stuck in Rust. I can’t work with that.

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    4. Pierre Chapuis‏ @pchapuis 12 Dec 2018
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      Replying to @dakami @TamasBlummer @rustlang

      I don't think such build times are expected for Firefox on any platform, sounds like a bug... Their build times in CI are < 1h afaik.

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    5. Dan Kaminsky‏Verified account @dakami 12 Dec 2018
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      Replying to @pchapuis @TamasBlummer @rustlang

      On gentoo, if I emerge Firefox, it’s ready tomorrow. I will loudly and happily proclaim my error if this is a gentoo bug and not a rust bug. I will sit down and write some rust code if that’s the case.

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    6. Rust Language‏ @rustlang 12 Dec 2018
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      For what it’s worth, we do know compile times are a pain point, and are always working on improving them. That does sound quite excessive though. I don’t follow Firefox build times, but if that was the norm, I’d expect to have heard about it.

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    7. eddyb, thriving in isolation,‏ @eddyb_r 12 Dec 2018
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      IMO the way we talk about Rust compile times is suboptimal: given that most of the time is spent in LLVM, we only add 10%-50% (you should probably submit a bug if it's 50% or more) on top of that. So when building from scratch, C++ *maybe* gets wins from parallelism.

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    8. gankra's gay‏ @Gankra_ 12 Dec 2018
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      this continues to read as ridiculous to me. we know llvm takes an incredibly long amount of time, and part of that is because rust emits a huge pile of garbage for it sort out. and somehow the rust front end *still* takes as long as llvm? that's so incredibly bad...

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    9. Manish‏ @ManishEarth 12 Dec 2018
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      Replying to @Gankra_ @eddyb_r

      it's typically not 50%, IME it's typically like 10% (last i measured this was a while ago)

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    10. gankra's gay‏ @Gankra_ 12 Dec 2018
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      Replying to @ManishEarth @eddyb_r

      it's also just super shady accounting to spew such bad IR and be like "oh wow llvm is slow, gosh nothing we could do about that, can't be blamed for slow compile times"

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      Patrick Walton‏ @pcwalton 12 Dec 2018
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      Replying to @Gankra_ @ManishEarth @eddyb_r

      I don’t understand what the point of your hostile tone is. Nobody is denying that we need better MIR optimizations to improve the IR we send to LLVM.

      7:05 PM - 12 Dec 2018
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        2. Patrick Walton‏ @pcwalton 12 Dec 2018
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          Replying to @pcwalton @ManishEarth @eddyb_r

          FWIW, I think there are no silver bullets for compilation time issues, that most of the low-hanging fruit has already been picked, and that it’s going to just require a hard engineering slog to burn through a long tail of issues to see real improvements. Simple as that.

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        3. gankra's gay‏ @Gankra_ 12 Dec 2018
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          Replying to @pcwalton @ManishEarth @eddyb_r

          i apologize, i am in a foul mood. i completely agree with your statement, and just want to discourage the common notion that somehow the current state of affairs is natural or unavoidable due to llvm. compile times are bad, it's our fault, and we're working on it.

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