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    2. Pinboard‏ @Pinboard 24 Aug 2018
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      Replying to @lang1z @BrendanEich and

      I think you're misunderstanding my analogy; I don't mean that they are similar, but that a decision at the highest levels in the early 2000's to make security a priority at Microsoft achieved the 'impossible', and that a similar decision by Google could get results today

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    3. Billy Ray Valentine‏ @spongeclipper 24 Aug 2018
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      Also a lower bar. Msft did a ton, but it’s not like Android is using strcpy or not handling vulns. I still question if it’s a problem of priorities vs a consequence of some business decisions Andy Rubin made ten years ago.

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    4. BrendanEich‏Verified account @BrendanEich 24 Aug 2018
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      Agree Rubin (per Google acquisition) chose low road & that means more players, lower standards, more room for errors and sloppy decisions or defaults that have inferior consequences vs. Apple. There's no way around it. High road is more secure. Why I use Apple gear, laptop+phone.

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    5. Billy Ray Valentine‏ @spongeclipper 24 Aug 2018
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      Though, oddly, chromeos seems to make the right trade offs far better than macos. MacOS has had some dumb blunders, too, recently—organizational inertia?

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    6. BrendanEich‏Verified account @BrendanEich 24 Aug 2018
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      Chromebooks are righteous (have not evaluated Android app runtime security). Not Android OS, so not quite on topic -- except Chromebook OEM control much tighter, more like Apple. Right?

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    7. Billy Ray Valentine‏ @spongeclipper 24 Aug 2018
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      In the middle. Oem hardware but no oem control over software images, and tighter hardware certification reqs. Still, points to a middle path. Does android business model require oem images? If so, why?

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    8. BrendanEich‏Verified account @BrendanEich 24 Aug 2018
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      Foistware, crapware, risk of bricked phones => OEM or Operator support burden. Lots of reasons. Google has tried to mitigate, to be sure, but extra costs are baked in the "low road" cake, I keep saying.

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    9. Billy Ray Valentine‏ @spongeclipper 24 Aug 2018
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      What I meant was, why is chromeos able to take a different path?

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    10. Pinboard‏ @Pinboard 24 Aug 2018
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      Replying to @spongeclipper @BrendanEich and

      I think this is the right question. Why was Google able to make a very secure laptop, but not a very secure phone?

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      Patrick Walton‏ @pcwalton 24 Aug 2018
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      Android was an acquisition and was rushed to market.

      4:16 PM - 24 Aug 2018 from South Beach, San Francisco
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        2. BrendanEich‏Verified account @BrendanEich 24 Aug 2018
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          More important: different market.

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        2.  🚲 🚎 🥑‏ @crzwdjk 24 Aug 2018
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          ChromeOS exists because Google wanted to make its own OS, and the people working on it hated Android (for being a bunch of usurping outsiders).

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        3. BrendanEich‏Verified account @BrendanEich 24 Aug 2018
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          Replying to @crzwdjk @pcwalton and

          That is true too (when we announced b2g aka FirefoxOS, ChromeOS friendlies privately mailed good wishes and lamented “we’re not allowed to do phones”; this was late July 2011).

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