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    1. Matthew Green‏ @matthew_d_green 24 Aug 2018
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      I’m not gonna go too far down this line because I’m not a hardware expert and it’s just speculation. But it’s hard for me to believe that Google and Apple are getting the same economies of scale on security spending, given the relative sales of their respective product lines.

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    2. Patrick Walton‏ @pcwalton 24 Aug 2018
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      I think you can get better security through controlling the whole stack. But that doesn’t mean you’re under some moral obligation to. It’s silly to suggest that Google employees should be forming a labor union to demand more vertical integration in their product lines.

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    3. Matthew Green‏ @matthew_d_green 24 Aug 2018
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      Wha?

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    4. Patrick Walton‏ @pcwalton 24 Aug 2018
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      (@Pinboard has been agitating for a long time for Google employees to unionize to demand better security for Android, which is unreasonable.)

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    5. Patrick Walton‏ @pcwalton 24 Aug 2018
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      To elaborate more: Google could be doing more for Android security (and so could Apple!), but it’s not really possible to match Apple here without also controlling the whole stack, software and hardware…which is just a different business model.

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    6. Pinboard‏ @Pinboard 24 Aug 2018
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      If Google wanted to match or outdo Apple in this area, do you think they couldn't do it? They've got people working on human immortality, so the idea that a Google Pixel just can't be made safe because business model is hard for me to grasp.

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    7. Patrick Walton‏ @pcwalton 24 Aug 2018
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      Again, you keep taking things out of context. The Google Pixel is safe. Nothing in the paper you linked shows otherwise.

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    8. Pinboard‏ @Pinboard 24 Aug 2018
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      I'm not trying to suggest that this paper damns that specific phone, though I understand why I've created the impression. Asking now in good faith: if I tell a political campaign manager or journalist to use a Pixel, is this equivalent security to having them use an iPhone?

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    9. Patrick Walton‏ @pcwalton 24 Aug 2018
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      1/2 Well, I’m not in infosec, but I would be surprised if attackers go for either a top of the line iPhone or a top of the line Pixel. They’ll go after staffers’ Windows desktops first, or just use phishing.

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    10. Billy Ray Valentine‏ @spongeclipper 24 Aug 2018
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      They’ll use phishing. Who’s gonna burn an 0day on a first time congressional candidate? ;) Shit, even the dnc and Podesta were just phishing. Phishing scales and it works.

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      Patrick Walton‏ @pcwalton 24 Aug 2018
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      Replying to @spongeclipper @Pinboard @matthew_d_green

      Thinking about this more, why doesn’t someone lobby blue states to publicly fund IT for Congressional races? It would be a rounding error in the states’ budget (CA has, what, 45 districts?) and would probably be an easy sell politically, given all the concerns around Russia, etc.

      3:17 PM - 24 Aug 2018 from South Beach, San Francisco
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        1. Pinboard‏ @Pinboard 24 Aug 2018
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          I see what you're trying to do! You respond to my simplistic and tendentious "why don't they just do x,y,z" with your own version of this question about my world, leaving me a sputtering husk. A worthy Twitter adversary!

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        2. Billy Ray Valentine‏ @spongeclipper 24 Aug 2018
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          Public financing is the fix for a lot more than campaign IT.

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          "It's complicated"

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