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    1. Matthew Green‏ @matthew_d_green 24 Aug 2018
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      That isn’t the kind of decision that turns on low level employees having passions, or some vagaries of hardware. Android eventually copied many aspects of Apple’s FBE, but only after several years — and incompletely.

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    2. Matthew Green‏ @matthew_d_green 24 Aug 2018
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      And vulnerability counting isn’t the whole story. The whole story is that Apple has much more control of the hardware, while Google (even in its own phones) has largely been assembling their own (much less widely sold) product lines from other parts.

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    3. Matthew Green‏ @matthew_d_green 24 Aug 2018
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      I’m not gonna go too far down this line because I’m not a hardware expert and it’s just speculation. But it’s hard for me to believe that Google and Apple are getting the same economies of scale on security spending, given the relative sales of their respective product lines.

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    4. Patrick Walton‏ @pcwalton 24 Aug 2018
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      I think you can get better security through controlling the whole stack. But that doesn’t mean you’re under some moral obligation to. It’s silly to suggest that Google employees should be forming a labor union to demand more vertical integration in their product lines.

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    5. Matthew Green‏ @matthew_d_green 24 Aug 2018
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      Replying to @pcwalton @spongeclipper @Pinboard

      Wha?

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    6. Patrick Walton‏ @pcwalton 24 Aug 2018
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      (@Pinboard has been agitating for a long time for Google employees to unionize to demand better security for Android, which is unreasonable.)

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    7. Patrick Walton‏ @pcwalton 24 Aug 2018
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      To elaborate more: Google could be doing more for Android security (and so could Apple!), but it’s not really possible to match Apple here without also controlling the whole stack, software and hardware…which is just a different business model.

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    8. Pinboard‏ @Pinboard 24 Aug 2018
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      If Google wanted to match or outdo Apple in this area, do you think they couldn't do it? They've got people working on human immortality, so the idea that a Google Pixel just can't be made safe because business model is hard for me to grasp.

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    9. BrendanEich‏Verified account @BrendanEich 24 Aug 2018
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      It's within the realm of physical (vs. metaphysical ;-) action but Google chose the "low road" of OEM/ODMs they do not control tightly (as Apple does w/ its equiv), also regarding mandatory updates. Apple has higher ARPU than Android. That pays for some costs (updates, quality).

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    10. Pinboard‏ @Pinboard 24 Aug 2018
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      My point of reference is this: Windows was a horror show and very smart people argued that it was not possible to fix. Then Bill Gates said "fix it" and after much pain and gnashing of teeth, it was done. Is there a reason that a similar fatwa at Google could not succeed?

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      Patrick Walton‏ @pcwalton 24 Aug 2018
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      Windows is in the very same situation, though. Core Windows is decent in security, but OEMs load it down with all sorts of terrible crap. Microsoft has trouble fixing that because they’re a convicted monopolist (which now Google is too, in the EU…)

      3:06 PM - 24 Aug 2018 from South Beach, San Francisco
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        2. Patrick Walton‏ @pcwalton 24 Aug 2018
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          Put another way, I don’t think any tech company has successfully solved the “outsource consumer software to OEMs and make sure they can’t load it down with insecure crap” problem.

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        3. Billy Ray Valentine‏ @spongeclipper 24 Aug 2018
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          Right. Superfish e.g. OTOH @Pinboard and @matthew_d_green are right to ask, if the encryption APIs are better (or if pixel is less secure than iPhone), why? I still think some is that they’re developing an OS for a much wider range of hardware capabilities though.

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