And vulnerability counting isn’t the whole story. The whole story is that Apple has much more control of the hardware, while Google (even in its own phones) has largely been assembling their own (much less widely sold) product lines from other parts.
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Replying to @matthew_d_green @spongeclipper and
I’m not gonna go too far down this line because I’m not a hardware expert and it’s just speculation. But it’s hard for me to believe that Google and Apple are getting the same economies of scale on security spending, given the relative sales of their respective product lines.
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I think you can get better security through controlling the whole stack. But that doesn’t mean you’re under some moral obligation to. It’s silly to suggest that Google employees should be forming a labor union to demand more vertical integration in their product lines.
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Wha?
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@Pinboard has been agitating for a long time for Google employees to unionize to demand better security for Android, which is unreasonable.)2 replies 0 retweets 2 likes -
Replying to @pcwalton @matthew_d_green and
To elaborate more: Google could be doing more for Android security (and so could Apple!), but it’s not really possible to match Apple here without also controlling the whole stack, software and hardware…which is just a different business model.
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If Google wanted to match or outdo Apple in this area, do you think they couldn't do it? They've got people working on human immortality, so the idea that a Google Pixel just can't be made safe because business model is hard for me to grasp.
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Again, you keep taking things out of context. The Google Pixel is safe. Nothing in the paper you linked shows otherwise.
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I'm not trying to suggest that this paper damns that specific phone, though I understand why I've created the impression. Asking now in good faith: if I tell a political campaign manager or journalist to use a Pixel, is this equivalent security to having them use an iPhone?
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1/2 Well, I’m not in infosec, but I would be surprised if attackers go for either a top of the line iPhone or a top of the line Pixel. They’ll go after staffers’ Windows desktops first, or just use phishing.
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2/2 Honestly, I think the problem here is not the difference between iPhone and the Pixel line. Problem is getting those phones into staffers’ hands. Ideally campaign IT would be publicly funded… (or cos. give phones away, but campaign finance laws probably prevent that)
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