It’s not totally a slam dunk though.pic.twitter.com/q32Ip1g6HK
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Well, if we’re talking about theoretical vulnerabilities, couldn’t iBoot be theoretically vulnerable too? I still think Apple is being given too much of a pass here…
Well, there’s a specific citation there. And it refers to a bunch of concrete vulns (now hopefully fixed!) in Nexus phones. And yes, Apple deserves their own crap (think GrayKey) but the Android stuff seemed sloppier.
I guess, but vuln counting as a method of comparison is poor. Maybe comparing apis (eg file encryption) gives you a sense of platform priorities, but even that’s tough. I’d recommend iOS because it’s hard to know *which* android oems are safe, but not because “upper management.”
I don’t think that’s valid at all. Apple has consistently led on security and privacy issues. The encryption API we discussed is a great example of that. A huge amount of engineering effort went into a feature that only a few apps use & that also seriously pissed off the FBI.
That isn’t the kind of decision that turns on low level employees having passions, or some vagaries of hardware. Android eventually copied many aspects of Apple’s FBE, but only after several years — and incompletely.
And vulnerability counting isn’t the whole story. The whole story is that Apple has much more control of the hardware, while Google (even in its own phones) has largely been assembling their own (much less widely sold) product lines from other parts.
I’m not gonna go too far down this line because I’m not a hardware expert and it’s just speculation. But it’s hard for me to believe that Google and Apple are getting the same economies of scale on security spending, given the relative sales of their respective product lines.
Oh, agreed on those points. But I suspect (also not an expert on this) that some of this is side effects of the differing markets. Eg way more low end android devices. IIUC this is why mitigations in copperhead are often slow to make it to android.
You could say android sells out on security in exchange for low end market share. The oem story may be that. But there’s also a very price sensitive market for low end (insecure) devices. I do wish google wouldn’t repeat all of msft’s mistakes on oem certification, updates, tho.
Bingo. Apple chooses not to sell to the price sensitive low-end (which is something Maciej complains about). Google does, which changes the economics. You get what you pay for.
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