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    Patrick Walton‏ @pcwalton 16 Jul 2018
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    One of the weirdest misconceptions we industry folks have about academia is the idea that all academic PL is functional programming.

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      2. Kristopher Micinski‏ @krismicinski 16 Jul 2018
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        Replying to @johnregehr @larsberg_ and

        @michael_w_hicks told me ICFP is now the most heavily-attended SIGPLAN conf, but still w/ the lowest number of submissions. My uninformed take: bandwagoning by the industry attracted to FP plus very high quality submissions w/ a self-selecting audience (i.e., should higher imo)

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      3. Sam Tobin-Hochstadt‏ @samth 16 Jul 2018
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        I think bandwagon is the wrong way to think about it. Currently FP is a cutting edge technique that's not widely known and there's a lot of demand for academics translating the ideas for industry. Very similar to OOPSLA & OOP circa 1995.

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      2. Amateur Slacker (Honorary Anime-Profile-Pic-Haver)‏ @noop_noob 16 Jul 2018
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        But most of academic PL is functional, right?

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      3. Patrick Walton‏ @pcwalton 16 Jul 2018
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        Historically, absolutely not. I’m not sure if that has changed lately with how popular FP has gotten, though.

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      2. JF Bastien‏ @jfbastien 16 Jul 2018
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        Right, so much academic stuff isn’t even functional, can’t get it to work 🤣

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      3. Jarred Nicholls‏ @jarrednicholls 17 Jul 2018
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        I chuckled out loud, well done.

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      1. assigned goth at birth‏ @mycoliza 16 Jul 2018
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        i feel like a significant chunk of academic PL is just bad imperative extensions on top of Java...

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      1. Lars Bergstrom‏ @larsberg_ 16 Jul 2018
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        Especially when on top of that many FP papers are "here's how to compile the FP magic down to the most hideous but easy to optimize & parallelize imperative, first-order code you've ever seen"

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      1. Lars Bergstrom‏ @larsberg_ 16 Jul 2018
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        Replying to @johnregehr @samth and

        It won't be me, as shown by my similar lack of success in my one-man crusade to stop sponsoring PLDI until it goes OA :-)

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      2. lmeyerov‏ @lmeyerov 17 Jul 2018
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        I found it uphill to do PL design in academic PL communities that wasn't about types/correctness. Synthesis became acceptable.. after advocacy efforts. PLDI/POPL are gatekeepers in PL academia, so quite risky to do: design work must now come from outside of PL, e.g., Spark.

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      3. lmeyerov‏ @lmeyerov 17 Jul 2018
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        It was frustrating having grad students ask me what they can do to work on the social design stuff, and my advice being, "this is incredibly ripe & important, but unless you're in HCI, a PL career killer in the US."

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