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    Paul Graham‏Verified account @paulg 20 Aug 2016

    Do intelligence agencies merely rely on zero days they discover, or do they plant people to create them too?

    12:38 AM - 20 Aug 2016
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      1. Ed 3.0‏ @EdDebug 20 Aug 2016
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        I don't think they really need to plant people, the software industry is managing it just fine!

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      1. Matt Miesnieks‏ @mattmiesnieks 20 Aug 2016
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        . @paulg why predict the future when you can invent it?

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      1. JJ 「cιtιƶεɳƒιvε」  🏴‍☠️‏ @CTZN5 20 Aug 2016
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        JJ 「cιtιƶεɳƒιvε」  🏴‍☠️ Retweeted Paul Graham

        yeah as a couple in the thread have said, both, see BULLRUN for example @paulghttps://twitter.com/paulg/status/766902123703341058 …

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        Paul GrahamVerified account @paulg
        Do intelligence agencies merely rely on zero days they discover, or do they plant people to create them too?
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      1. Gordon Shephard‏ @ghshephard 20 Aug 2016
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        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dual_EC_DRBG …

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      1. Terrifying TProphet‏ @TProphet 20 Aug 2016
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        Never knew whether the people working for me in Beijing were really only working for me.

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      1. Ruvi Kitov‏ @RuviKitov 20 Aug 2016
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        I think discovery only. US gov certification for SW for Fed includes source code review (and Russia has a similar program now)

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      1. Colin Percival‏ @cperciva 20 Aug 2016
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        I'm sure they do occasionally plant people to create vulnerabilities, but only rarely; most of the time they don't have to.

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      1. Tiotags‏ @tiotags 20 Aug 2016
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        planting people is expensive, way cheaper to do public trials of "hey look apple is against democracy"

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      1. K‏ @rehack20 20 Aug 2016
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        This thought occurred to me few days back, why wouldn't they try to plant employees in top 4 firms (GAAF)? Why wouldn't they succeed?

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      1. Gordon Shephard‏ @ghshephard 20 Aug 2016
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        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullrun_(decryption_program)# …

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      1. Martin Vindahl Olsen‏ @mvindahl 20 Aug 2016
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        the WWND*) rule might provide an answer. *) What Would Nixon Do?

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      1. Prady Misra‏ @pradym 20 Aug 2016
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        likely later too

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      1. Matthew Chen‏ @cmchen 20 Aug 2016
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        https://medium.com/@cmchen/lets-assume-the-nsa-is-competent-7add9f459b74 …

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      1. JohnMeuser‏ @JohnMeuser 20 Aug 2016
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        Computers mediate manipulative behavior, they do not make manipulative behavior.

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      1. farhanible‏ @farhanible 20 Aug 2016
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        NSA/RSA Dual_EC_DRBG collusion is a big precedent. Open Source contributions potentially another.

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      1. x0r‏ @x0rxCC 20 Aug 2016
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        @daveaitel I used to do sec. code review for one of the big one. Some 'bugs' were way too well place to be mistake.

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      1. Sitaraman L‏ @lsitaraman 20 Aug 2016
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        once you have exploit written you just wait for trigger point .. Stuxnet is a great example.

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      1. LukeMullen 🍀 🇺🇸 ⚛️1%‏ @Luke1732Mullen 20 Aug 2016
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        @sama @pmarca count the pain points & control knobs: SEC, IRS, ITAR, Visa Approvals & Renewals, Overseas Blackmail, Overseas Bribery

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