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    1. David Manheim‏ @davidmanheim 23 Nov 2020

      Someone should start an annual $1m prize for whoever violated government procedures to do the most good for the world. cc: @paulg / @albrgr / @ESYudkowsky / @robinhanson / @bryan_caplan

      17 replies 20 retweets 176 likes
    2. Robin Hanson‏Verified account @robinhanson 23 Nov 2020
      Replying to @davidmanheim @paulg and

      I might rather give the prize for the largest difference between how much the world gained and how much the act was expected to cost you. Violating govt procedures is one kind of expected cost, but there are others.

      3 replies 1 retweet 18 likes
    3. Eliezer Yudkowsky‏Verified account @ESYudkowsky 23 Nov 2020
      Replying to @robinhanson @davidmanheim @bryan_caplan

      Most humans are not good at complication. If you hope for people to talk about the prize as more than a bizarre curiosity of nerds, keep the prize simple.

      1 reply 0 retweets 34 likes
    4. Robin Hanson‏Verified account @robinhanson 23 Nov 2020
      Replying to @ESYudkowsky @davidmanheim @bryan_caplan

      A prize for "doing good at a personal cost" sounds simple to me.

      1 reply 0 retweets 13 likes
      Paul Graham‏Verified account @paulg 23 Nov 2020
      Replying to @robinhanson @ESYudkowsky and

      I know you mean well, but this prize would be pointed in exactly the wrong direction. One of the biggest flaws in the nonprofit world is that donors are measured by how much they gave away rather than how much good it did.

      3:08 AM - 23 Nov 2020
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        2. Paul Graham‏Verified account @paulg 23 Nov 2020
          Replying to @paulg @robinhanson and

          So while in the private sector, people are rewarded for efficiency, in the public sector the incentives point if anything in the opposite direction. It is a huge problem, one of the biggest in the world.

          1 reply 2 retweets 29 likes
        3. David Manheim‏ @davidmanheim 23 Nov 2020
          Replying to @paulg @robinhanson and

          David Manheim Retweeted David Manheim

          I agree, but this wouldn't be aimed at fixing that problem. It's aimed more narrowly at making sure people in positions where they ordinarily don't even question rules, recognize that not following the rules is sometimes good. (Tech doesn't have this problem.)https://twitter.com/davidmanheim/status/1330540368056737794 …

          David Manheim added,

          David Manheim @davidmanheim
          Am I missing something, or did the FDA wait to start evaluating the manufacturing system for new vaccines until after they received the EUA request with safety data? I'm sure that's standard procedure, but surely *someone* realized there was a way to parallelize this a bit more?
          1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
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        1. Ateeq ur Rehman‏ @ateeq_dev 23 Nov 2020
          Replying to @paulg @robinhanson and

          Whatever the measurement of good impact can be, don't think it can be objective

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        2. David Manheim‏ @davidmanheim 23 Nov 2020
          Replying to @paulg @robinhanson and

          Perhaps this was misunderstood. The prize would be for whichever *government employee* violated procedures to do the most good for the world.

          1 reply 0 retweets 8 likes
        3. Paul Graham‏Verified account @paulg 23 Nov 2020
          Replying to @davidmanheim @robinhanson and

          I agree there is something to your original proposal. The mistake is when we start weighting cost.

          1 reply 0 retweets 5 likes
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        1. Robin Hanson‏Verified account @robinhanson 23 Nov 2020
          Replying to @paulg @ESYudkowsky and

          The difference the good they did and the reward they could expect to get is exactly the degree to which we don't give sufficient incentive to do it.

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        2. Axel Brachet‏ @axelbrachet 23 Nov 2020
          Replying to @paulg @robinhanson and

          ...which leads to the next question: how to reliably measure how much good is done?

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        3. David Manheim‏ @davidmanheim 23 Nov 2020
          Replying to @axelbrachet @paulg and

          We could try having people nominate individuals worthy of being considered, then have a group of people on a board, and have them decide who get the award. It's not a rigorous quantitative process, but on the other hand, it's the way literally every award process works.

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