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    1. Paul Graham‏Verified account @paulg 6 Oct 2020

      Why do Betfair's odds imply that Trump has a 37% chance of winning, while Fivethirtyeight says he has an 18% chance? Why the divergence?

      326 replies 45 retweets 740 likes
    2. Nate Silver‏Verified account @NateSilver538 6 Oct 2020
      Replying to @paulg

      It's because political betting markets are populated by people with a sophomoric knowledge of politics. There are way too many excuses made for them when they have a poor track record.

      143 replies 30 retweets 503 likes
    3. Jeff Ma‏Verified account @jeffma 6 Oct 2020
      Replying to @NateSilver538 @paulg

      C’mon Nate. Couldn’t it also be because models even good ones like yours have inherent limitations that markets can capture

      10 replies 2 retweets 149 likes
    4. Nate Silver‏Verified account @NateSilver538 6 Oct 2020
      Replying to @jeffma @paulg

      We have been on the right side of the markets in basically every election since FiveThirtyEight was founded with a huge ROI. Way different than sports where you have a much more sophisticated player base and more liquidity.

      61 replies 3 retweets 177 likes
    5. Jeff Ma‏Verified account @jeffma 6 Oct 2020
      Replying to @NateSilver538 @paulg

      Would be interesting to check with our friends at @Betcris but checking limits seems like there is pretty reasonable liquidity on this presidential election. For the record, I would love for you to be more right than the market in this case

      3 replies 0 retweets 28 likes
    6. Nate Silver‏Verified account @NateSilver538 6 Oct 2020
      Replying to @jeffma @paulg @Betcris

      There might be OK liquidity, but not fantastic, and another issue is that elections are rare enough that it would be hard to make a living betting on them (or to go broke by losing those bets). So you don't get the professionalization of the field.

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      Paul Graham‏Verified account @paulg 6 Oct 2020
      Replying to @NateSilver538 @jeffma @Betcris

      It might be interesting if you tried to write something about when betting markets are likely to be right, and whey they're not. It would be an exercise in metaprojection.

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        2. Jeff Ma‏Verified account @jeffma 6 Oct 2020
          Replying to @paulg @NateSilver538 @Betcris

          This is a relatively easy question and as Nate correctly asserts based on a few factors like liquidity of the market, betting limits, whether there are “experts” in the market, etc. but where Nate and I are disagreeing is the inherent nature of this specific market

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        3. Sam Margo‏ @smargo15 6 Oct 2020
          Replying to @jeffma @paulg and

          Also: the outcome of the election has an influence on market returns, so the demand for election bets as investment hedges may skew the betting markets (since Nate points out there aren’t “pros” in the market on the other side of the hedges). Liquidity is an argument against this

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        2. james c‏ @james1071 6 Oct 2020
          Replying to @paulg @NateSilver538 and

          Paul - they are likely to be right when there is 'smart money' that sets prices. That is what happens with financial markets - there is enough smart money to move prices in line. Now, what do we mean by smart money? That would be people with extra, private information . ....

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        3. james c‏ @james1071 6 Oct 2020
          Replying to @james1071 @paulg and

          Such people know that they are onto a sure thing - once the world knows what they know, prices will move. Does that apply to betting markets - are there people with better polling info than in the public domain? If you had it, would you bet on the odds changing to reflect it?

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        2. James Lu‏ @jamest_lu 6 Oct 2020
          Replying to @paulg @NateSilver538 and

          I want to see 538 employees bet on the betting markets to show they're confident in their prediction. #SkinInTheGame

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        3. Nato Powell‏ @hardwarehuman 6 Oct 2020
          Replying to @someone10987507 @paulg and

          I’m pretty sure they’re not allowed to, as it would create a conflict of interest.

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        1. ddshore‏ @ddshore 6 Oct 2020
          Replying to @paulg @NateSilver538 and

          Probably when people betting/in the market have information that other people don't. Microsoft had a market that helped predict the release date of a product. They used this to get real info from software engineers since managers kept saying the release date would be sooner.

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        1. Daniel Orias‏ @dannyo152 6 Oct 2020
          Replying to @paulg @NateSilver538 and

          Betting odds are part predictive and part finding a spot where parties will bet.

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        1. Thatcher.com.mx‏ @ThatcherMx 6 Oct 2020
          Replying to @paulg @NateSilver538 and

          It might be more interesting if Nate puts his pocket where he puts his mouth. Talking is cheap.

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        1. Drew Patterson‏ @drewpats 7 Oct 2020
          Replying to @paulg @NateSilver538 and

          Betfair has state-by-state odds in addition to "who will be president." @NateSilver538 can you solve for the probability markets are putting on likelihood of Biden winning 270+ of delegates (based on states) but trump as president? e.g. odds of extra-electoral Trump victory?

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