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    2. Paul Graham‏Verified account @paulg 6 Oct 2020
      Replying to @rivatez

      I don't think that's the explanation, because the odds at all the betting sites heavily favored Hillary in the early stages of the vote count on election day in 2016.

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      Paul Graham‏Verified account @paulg 6 Oct 2020
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      Paul Graham Retweeted Mo

      Looking at the replies, Occam's razor suggests the most likely explanation is that Betfairs's odds in a case like this are determined by unusually ill-informed bettors:https://twitter.com/MoneyandHonor/status/1313429892713897985 …

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      Mo @MoneyandHonor
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      Betting odds reflect on the consensus of a the same population that nominated these two. Take it with a grain of salt. I have yet to meet a real gambler who bets on presidential elections.
      5:11 AM - 6 Oct 2020
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        1. Sharpie‏ @thesharpiesharp 6 Oct 2020
          Replying to @paulg @rivatez

          A lot of bookies also offload their risk on betfair.

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        2. cbg‏ @gribneau 6 Oct 2020
          Replying to @paulg @rivatez

          Betfair's odds are not a predictor. They are a reflection of how much cash people are willing to stake on a specified outcome to derive a profit. The amount of profit (incentive) varies considerably over time (unlike polls). Odds over time reflect profit potential when placed.

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        3. cbg‏ @gribneau 6 Oct 2020
          Replying to @gribneau @paulg @rivatez

          If you look at a 538 chart, you'll find it gets much closer to accurate as the event approaches. The betting markets do the same thing, but they are limited by a shortage of contrarian thinkers willing to take the (increasingly obvious) easy money. Is there a model in that...

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        1. Sentinel‏ @3Sentinel4 6 Oct 2020
          Replying to @paulg @rivatez

          538's number is from their own model Betfair is determined by the market I think the market is pricing in polling error (partisan or low-trust non-response)

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        1. pranav_modi‏ @pranav_modi 6 Oct 2020
          Replying to @paulg @rivatez

          Money on a trump victory would be the *smart* bet as he polled bad and won in 2016. Bettors would imagine they get better odds with Trump

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        2. Ethan‏ @ELWillis10 6 Oct 2020
          Replying to @paulg @rivatez

          Well, counterpoint: The election is also determined by ill-informed voters.

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        3. Ethan‏ @ELWillis10 6 Oct 2020
          Replying to @ELWillis10 @paulg @rivatez

          The "unusually" part is an assumption

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        1. Peje‏ @Pejegordo 6 Oct 2020
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          Didn't 2016 teach us anything about polls?

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