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    1. Paul Graham‏Verified account @paulg 16 Sep 2020
      Replying to @librarythingtim

      I don't think it has gone wrong so much as that when you become successful you attract a lot of carpetbaggers and haters. When someone talked about startups in 2005, it was because they cared about startups. But you can't assume that in 2020.

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    2. Tim Spalding‏ @librarythingtim 16 Sep 2020
      Replying to @paulg

      No, I mean how tech went wrong. How startup culture, the focus and the logic of tech startup success created serious social problems that we're suffering from today. I could expand on my feelings there, but I'd rather find out what you think.

      2 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
    3. Paul Graham‏Verified account @paulg 16 Sep 2020
      Replying to @librarythingtim

      The main problem that comes to mind is polarization. The internet lets each person find what they want to believe. But that's not a byproduct of startup culture.

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    4. Tim Spalding‏ @librarythingtim 16 Sep 2020
      Replying to @paulg

      I think there's something in assembling smart, super-young, culturally similar people with no background in anything else, and encouraging them to focus on growth above all. As S. Levy notes, the pathologies of FB today are the result of decisions made in early, startup days.

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    5. Paul Graham‏Verified account @paulg 16 Sep 2020
      Replying to @librarythingtim

      Historically that has been the recipe for a lot of great achievements. It's not specific to startups. It just as accurately describes Xerox PARC, the Manhattan Project, and many if not most literary and artistic movements.

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    6. Tim Spalding‏ @librarythingtim 16 Sep 2020
      Replying to @paulg

      So you don't think the pathologies and limitations of the tech startup world contributed anything notable to the pathologies of tech today? You are known for smart, unusual takes, but I'm surprised at that.

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    7. Paul Graham‏Verified account @paulg 16 Sep 2020
      Replying to @librarythingtim

      To answer that you'd have to start by describing the "pathologies of tech" whose origins you're seeking. What are they? What, for example, is broken about Tesla that wasn't broken at Ford?

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    8. Tim Spalding‏ @librarythingtim 16 Sep 2020
      Replying to @paulg

      Tesla: Not much. I'd point to social first and foremost, with a less central role for sharing-economy companies.

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    9. Paul Graham‏Verified account @paulg 16 Sep 2020
      Replying to @librarythingtim

      That appears to be evidence the origin of the problems you're seeing is something other than startup culture. If startup culture caused x, you'd see it in all startups, not just those in certain domains.

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    10. Paul Graham‏Verified account @paulg 16 Sep 2020
      Replying to @paulg @librarythingtim

      It seems a more plausible theory that the domain is the root of the problem. I.e. that the problems caused by social apps are due to their being social apps, rather than because they were startups.

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      Paul Graham‏Verified account @paulg 16 Sep 2020
      Replying to @paulg @librarythingtim

      My guess is that many if not most of the problems you see in Facebook, for example, would still be there if it had been started by a group at Microsoft. E.g. the use of it to influence elections. Microsoft products are not famous for being unhackable. Rather the opposite.

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        1. Tim Spalding‏ @librarythingtim 16 Sep 2020
          Replying to @paulg

          Okay, well, I asked if you have reflected and I guess the answer is yes you have, but that you don't think the pathologies of tech have had anything to do with the startup world and its imperatives, limitations or culture. I disagree and am amazed, but thank you for replying.

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