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    1. Seth Bannon  👨‍🔬‏Verified account @sethbannon 18 Aug 2020
      Replying to @paulg

      Let's look at what a 1% US wealth tax would mean for Jeff Bezos. He founded Amazon 26 years ago. A 1% wealth tax means he keeps 99% of Amazon stock each year. .99^26 = .77 = 77% So he'd currently be worth $145B instead of $188B. You're saying he would have left the US?

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    2. Paul Graham‏Verified account @paulg 18 Aug 2020
      Replying to @sethbannon

      No, I'm not saying that he would have left the US.

      1 reply 0 retweets 14 likes
    3. Seth Bannon  👨‍🔬‏Verified account @sethbannon 18 Aug 2020
      Replying to @paulg

      "Even a .5% wealth tax would start to keep founders away from a state or country that imposed it." What did you mean by that? Thought you were saying there would be a chance the Bezoses (the great founders) would leave the US / not start startups if we implemented a wealth tax.

      2 replies 0 retweets 17 likes
    4. Paul Graham‏Verified account @paulg 18 Aug 2020
      Replying to @sethbannon

      Look at what I wrote. I didn't say it would cause people already there to leave. And I didn't say it would be decisive for everyone at that rate, just that it would start to influence people's decisions.pic.twitter.com/8HYEPvJbh2

      4 replies 2 retweets 42 likes
    5. Paul Graham‏Verified account @paulg 18 Aug 2020
      Replying to @paulg @sethbannon

      If I believed a statement as strong as "Amazon wouldn't be in the US if there were a 1% wealth tax" was true, I'd have written that instead.

      1 reply 0 retweets 23 likes
    6. Seth Bannon  👨‍🔬‏Verified account @sethbannon 18 Aug 2020
      Replying to @paulg

      I see. I think great founders will start companies in the place that maximizes the chance they create an Amazon-level success, not in the place with the lowest taxes. At some point taxes may be too aggressive but a low single digit wealth tax isn't that.

      4 replies 0 retweets 21 likes
    7. Paul Graham‏Verified account @paulg 18 Aug 2020
      Replying to @sethbannon

      It's not as simple as that. There are many good founders outside CA who are already on the fence about moving there. When you're already on the fence it takes very little to tip you. Giving up half your company if you move, versus none if you stay, could easily be enough.

      2 replies 1 retweet 20 likes
    8. Seth Bannon  👨‍🔬‏Verified account @sethbannon 18 Aug 2020
      Replying to @paulg

      Given that the interest you can earn on accumulated wealth is greater than a 1% wealth tax, it's still most rational to optimize for the place that let's you create great wealth in the first place.

      1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
    9. Paul Graham‏Verified account @paulg 18 Aug 2020
      Replying to @sethbannon

      It's possible that moving your company to California would make it 3x as valuable, so that you'd still be net better off after giving half of it to the government, but would you claim that publicly?

      1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
    10. Seth Bannon  👨‍🔬‏Verified account @sethbannon 18 Aug 2020
      Replying to @paulg

      I'm saying that if moving to California makes it even a little more likely that you qualify for a wealth tax of 1%, it's the rational thing to do. Because the interest you'd earn on the extra accumulated wealth would more than make up for a 1% wealth tax. Wealth compounds too 😉

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      Paul Graham‏Verified account @paulg 18 Aug 2020
      Replying to @sethbannon

      Of course, but it compounds at exactly the same rate in every state. So "a little more likely" is not enough. You'd have to be convinced that the ultimate outcome is more than 2x better.

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        1. Sirjay Rob‏ @sirjayrob 18 Aug 2020
          Replying to @paulg @sethbannon

          The issue is not tax rate, but how tax are being used, if you can see a real improvement in people's quality of life you will be willing to pay more taxes, but politicians keep throwing away money in a very dumb manner in the US and in the whole world, government system are broke

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        1. Julie Fredrickson‏ @AlmostMedia 18 Aug 2020
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          Given other underlying psychological concerns of safety and instability at play - fires, blackouts, crime, pandemic- even the most excited to optimize for outcomes may be subtly shifted in their calculus to pick accessible to Silicon Valley but not there. See Denver/Seattle

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