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    1. Kevin Lacker‏ @lacker 3 Apr 2020

      Apps that do contact tracing seem like safety theater. Governments are excited to claim they have fancy tech, but even the most used, Singapore’s app, has 13% usage and so can detect less than 2% of transmission pairs.https://www.economist.com/briefing/2020/03/26/countries-are-using-apps-and-data-networks-to-keep-tabs-on-the-pandemic …

      12 replies 38 retweets 130 likes
    2. Omar Uddin‏ @omaruddin 3 Apr 2020
      Replying to @lacker @paulg

      Omar Uddin Retweeted Techmeme

      This is a good point. Also @rezendi article recently suggests that @Google @Apple should get involved to get secure and private contact tracing to scale - provided they respect privacy and assure the trust of people.https://twitter.com/techmeme/status/1244395443989159937 …

      Omar Uddin added,

      TechmemeVerified account @Techmeme
      Apple and Google should add contact tracing functionality, similar to Singapore's TraceTogether app, in a privacy-respecting way to iOS and Android (@rezendi / TechCrunch) https://techcrunch.com/2020/03/29/test-and-trace-with-apple-and-google/ … http://www.techmeme.com/200329/p12#a200329p12 …
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    3. Kevin Lacker‏ @lacker 3 Apr 2020
      Replying to @omaruddin @paulg and

      That is the opposite of my point though. These apps have little value because you would need the vast majority of your population to voluntarily activate them, and that is nowhere near happening. The problem is not that their infrastructure does not scale.

      2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
    4. Omar Uddin‏ @omaruddin 3 Apr 2020
      Replying to @lacker @paulg and

      I would disagree with your last tweet reply to me as the article by Jon states Google and Apple have scale. So anyone with a phone on could be traced if done securely. The apps do have limits I can see that as I’m currently volunteering for the MIT SafePath app & they need scale.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    5. Antonio Massaro‏ @AntonM2015 3 Apr 2020
      Replying to @omaruddin @lacker and

      Antonio Massaro Retweeted Antonio Massaro

      I proposed the Italian government to ask citizens to upload to gov. their Google maps location history which is quite accurate and used by any smartphone owner. Can be done in other countries too. See this, easy to translate:https://mobile.twitter.com/AntonM2015/status/1246024836801089538 …

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      Antonio Massaro @AntonM2015
      Replying to @ddalledo @fra_zei @e_pagliarini
      I dati x tracciamento alla Coreana li hanno eccome,nn lo fanno per motivi legali,nn tecnici come dice articolo.Scaricato mia crono in 5 secondi,si vede ora precisa entrata/uscita negozio o edificio,se mi fermo a parlare x strada e tanto altro.Allego piccoli estratti pic.twitter.com/E2cqBgOXtG
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    6. Omar Uddin‏ @omaruddin 10 Apr 2020
      Replying to @AntonM2015 @lacker and

      Omar Uddin Retweeted MIT Technology Review

      Looks like @apple and @Google listened via @techreview https://twitter.com/techreview/status/1248679526365909000?s=21 … Thoughts @lacker & @rezendi ?

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      MIT Technology ReviewVerified account @techreview
      Apple and Google are jointly building software into iPhone and Android devices to help track the spread of coronavirus by telling users if they contacted an infected person and are potentially sick themselves. The new project is slated for release in May. https://bit.ly/3b19UuH 
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    7. Kevin Lacker‏ @lacker 10 Apr 2020
      Replying to @omaruddin @AntonM2015 and

      I predict one round of optimistic PR, followed by a near-zero percent of people opting in to use this, and subsequent abandonment

      2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
      Paul Graham‏Verified account @paulg 10 Apr 2020
      Replying to @lacker @omaruddin and

      What if companies require employees to use it?

      12:24 PM - 10 Apr 2020
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        2. Kevin Lacker‏ @lacker 10 Apr 2020
          Replying to @paulg @omaruddin and

          Maybe if it were useful within a single workplace, that could provide enough value to bootstrap. Hard to see it scaling to "Someone sick was on BART, now we need to alert everyone on that car" though. I think it would be easier to mandate scanning an ID code in most situations.

          2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
        3. Antonio Massaro‏ @AntonM2015 10 Apr 2020
          Replying to @lacker @paulg and

          Why not. They already know since many years all the people in the same BART bus or in any shop, look at the data taken from my map history when I proposed Italy gov that citizens could provide data voluntarily without waiting 4 Google to be involvedpic.twitter.com/hpR3PZ6nkv

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        2. Jason Almeida‏ @JasonKAlmeida 10 Apr 2020
          Replying to @paulg @lacker and

          I think this conversation/the general issue with opt in is assumption users don’t receive much value in opting in. I think we might be underestimating the value here - users will be able to see if they’ve come in contact which for many is a huge value add.

          2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
        3. Jason Almeida‏ @JasonKAlmeida 10 Apr 2020
          Replying to @JasonKAlmeida @paulg and

          Additionally, a huge issue initially for other products is due to lack of initial network, initial users get discouraged and never open/use the app. I have sense this UX will not do that- users will see initial 0 as “I haven’t encountered someone” but will keep checking.

          0 replies 0 retweets 1 like
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        1. Udi Vaks‏ @udivaks 11 Apr 2020
          Replying to @paulg @lacker and

          What if Apple and Google can give $10 in App credit for anyone enabling the app after a full month of and $1,000 cash for anyone that is verified COV-19 positive and logged it in?

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