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    1. Paul Graham‏Verified account @paulg 31 Jan 2020

      Everyone wants to blame Mark Zuckerberg for polarization and fake news. But if social media were fragmented into a thousand smaller companies instead of a few big ones, wouldn't polarization and fake news be worse?

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    2. Prasanna K‏ @prasanna_says 31 Jan 2020
      Replying to @paulg

      Nope. Centraliation enables cheap scale for attackers. Decentralization is stronger as a system. I mean you know why TCP/IP was built that way. You know why email is more resistant to attacks like this.

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    3. Paul Graham‏Verified account @paulg 31 Jan 2020
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      Decentralization would make the network stronger if people were randomly assigned to the smaller networks, but they wouldn't be. An attacker who wanted to target union members in Wisconsin would know exactly which subnetworks to go for.

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    4. Prasanna K‏ @prasanna_says 31 Jan 2020
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      Yes. But the union members in the neighboring town might not be on the same network? Each network might have a different ad platform, API, cookie, policy, so the attacker would have more work to take to scale?

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      Paul Graham‏Verified account @paulg 31 Jan 2020
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      Of course they will be. The smaller social networks would be based on affinity, and only incidentally on geography. As for the complexity of attacking the distributed network, would you find it easier to compromise Zuck's laptop, or those of 1000 random people?

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        1. Prasanna K‏ @prasanna_says 31 Jan 2020
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          For an attacker wouldn't it be harder to find & compromise the specific 1000 that they are targeting? ie I'm making the case that the ease of targeting on FB does provide a significant reduction in cost of the attacker.

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        1. Joel Marsh‏ @JoelMarsh 31 Jan 2020
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          Can you think of any real example of many small networks collectively having better economics of scale and stronger networks effects (collectively) than a single large network comprised of all the same people? To me, by definition, that sounds incorrect.

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        1. Jorah of the Yellow Vest  🦺 🌺 🔮 😼 👿‏ @MoarMeme 31 Jan 2020
          Replying to @paulg @prasanna_says

          Comprimising zucks laptop is irrelevant. Social media attacks come from botnets and sockpuppet farms not zero days. Just consider, would George W. Bush saying Iraq has WMD be considered fake news? Of course not. That tells you all you need to know

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        2. Rob Sobers‏ @rsobers 31 Jan 2020
          Replying to @paulg @prasanna_says

          Go see how many different Ford Mustang forums there are on the web. Or how many Salesforce experts groups exist on FB. There would be fragmentation even with the same affinity—and some without ads surely. It’d be harder to blanket them all with disinformation campaigns.

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        3. Public Health is the Economy‏ @CarolForden 31 Jan 2020
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          Is it? All it takes is one concerted effort

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        1. You should study Bitcoin‏ @lucash_dev 31 Jan 2020
          Replying to @paulg @prasanna_says

          That’s the wrong question. Is it more likely that every single one of 1000 randomly chosen people get hacked or that Zuck gets hacked? The likelihood of total compromise is way higher with centralisation but the chance of no compromise is still too low.

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