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    1. Garry Tan‏Verified account @garrytan 27 Nov 2019

      Give all the startup advice you want but please never advise new founders to lie about anything. It’s fraud.

      34 replies 99 retweets 961 likes
    2. Paul Graham‏Verified account @paulg 2 Dec 2019
      Replying to @garrytan

      When WePay was getting started, their card processors required them to have a proper office. All they had was an apartment. So we put a nameplate saying "WePay" on a room at YC and they pretended it was their office. Should we not have done that?

      18 replies 20 retweets 242 likes
    3. Garry Tan‏Verified account @garrytan 2 Dec 2019
      Replying to @paulg

      Lie vs Truth is seemingly a spectrum Probably why humans evolved a court system with legal definitions of fraud, but even then decided upon by judges and juries.

      4 replies 0 retweets 35 likes
      Paul Graham‏Verified account @paulg 3 Dec 2019
      Replying to @garrytan

      The lie here was total. The office wasn't even kind of theirs; it was ours. The way in which a spectrum is involved is the harmfulness of the lie. This was a lie that didn't hurt anyone.

      2:24 AM - 3 Dec 2019
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        1. Andrew Lee‏ @startupandrew 3 Dec 2019
          Replying to @paulg @garrytan

          So... should founders lie on YC applications so long as they believe it won’t hurt anyone? I’m confused...

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        1. Syed Aqueel Haider‏ @sahrizv 3 Dec 2019
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          What about those who did not use this same technique, following the rules? They chances were indeed hurt. Lies do have a spectrum. Consequent harmfulness also has a spectrum, as does the morality which is used to judge either of them. I don't see any safe way to tread here.

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        2. Kurt Kumar‏ @KurtKumar 3 Dec 2019
          Replying to @paulg @garrytan

          Garry, how would this reconcile with founders approach to Supply or Demand side growth tactics in a 2-sided market startup where inevitability you will fake/seed one side.

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        3. Garry Tan‏Verified account @garrytan 3 Dec 2019
          Replying to @KurtKumar

          Seed yes, lie no

          0 replies 0 retweets 1 like
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        1. Neal Lester‏ @neal_lester 3 Dec 2019
          Replying to @paulg @garrytan

          Not total. If a piece of mail addressed to them or a person looking for them had shown up at the office it/they would have eventually found them. So they did, in fact, have the use of the space for at least one important office function.

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        1. Chip Thien‏ @theMacroChip 3 Dec 2019
          Replying to @paulg @garrytan

          The problem with lying is that you think you know the impact of your lie, but you never actually do. You assume that the WePay address requirement was to signal legitimacy, but you can't be sure.

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