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    1. Paul Graham‏Verified account @paulg 14 Aug 2019

      I was talking to the CEO of a startup whose customers are local governments. Me: What features do people in local government want most? What excites them? CEO: Going home at 5.

      242 replies 1,221 retweets 7,763 likes
    2. Roy E. Bahat‏Verified account @roybahat 14 Aug 2019
      Replying to @paulg

      You have such power, Paul. I wish you'd be more careful to get it right on views you spread. Maybe visit a City Hall at 8pm the night when they're crashing on an announcement?

      9 replies 3 retweets 141 likes
    3. Paul Graham‏Verified account @paulg 14 Aug 2019
      Replying to @roybahat

      You seem to be saying that it's bad if people only want to work till 5, and that this CEO's answer is thus a kind of slander. I disagree. Lots of people have something they care more about than work. E.g. children. Why shouldn't they leave at 5 if they want?

      20 replies 11 retweets 289 likes
    4. fry‏ @anniefryman 14 Aug 2019
      Replying to @paulg @roybahat

      Your tweet suggests that people in government are lazy and are only driven/inspired by indulging that laziness. I find that offensive — but more importantly — laughably dense and demonstrably untrue.

      13 replies 1 retweet 148 likes
      Paul Graham‏Verified account @paulg 14 Aug 2019
      Replying to @anniefryman @roybahat

      My example was a parent who wanted to leave work at 5 so they could spend time with their kids. Surely it's more offensive of you to call that an instance of laziness.

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        2. fry‏ @anniefryman 15 Aug 2019
          Replying to @paulg @roybahat

          Your tweet suggested that the thing that excited government workers most about work was the part where you get to leave. That’s certainly how I (and others) interpreted it.

          4 replies 0 retweets 88 likes
        3. fry‏ @anniefryman 15 Aug 2019
          Replying to @anniefryman @paulg @roybahat

          As a government worker who works among many, I find that offensive, given how many passionate people make extraordinary sacrifices to be in public service. Very few of us are just living for the weekend. I think it’s dangerous and unfair to seed hostility like that.

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        1. Ana Santiago‏ @anasantiagolx 15 Aug 2019
          Replying to @paulg @anniefryman @roybahat

          Please bare in mind that having a family and life of his own is more than having kids. People want to live besides living just for work. Fortunately, startup world is becoming more aware of that too.

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        1. pedantic uncertaintist duck‏ @mathtick 15 Aug 2019
          Replying to @paulg @anniefryman @roybahat

          You'll find people are sometimes very good at maximizing ROI. Going home at 5 can be an instance of this.

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        2. Roy E. Bahat‏Verified account @roybahat 15 Aug 2019
          Replying to @paulg @anniefryman

          Paul, there's a way of communicating that I learned about from two wonderful technical founders -- if you're OK with an unsolicited recommendation. IMHO, if you practiced, it'd give you even more impact on people. It's called "non-violent communication."https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWb2B2uPfMo …

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        3. Roy E. Bahat‏Verified account @roybahat 15 Aug 2019
          Replying to @roybahat @paulg @anniefryman

          Maybe you're solving for something other than impact -- obviously I don't know. This said, a person saying "I find X offensive" is a less "violent" thing to say, in that framework, than "what you said is more offensive than what I said."

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        1. andy‏ @durtyrush 15 Aug 2019
          Replying to @paulg @anniefryman @roybahat

          Lol Pauly Spinzone

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        1. Keiran‏ @drenerbas 15 Aug 2019
          Replying to @paulg @anniefryman @roybahat

          Funny, it sounded like a Silicon Valley startup leader dunking on government. Probably because you didn’t mention parenting, only that your CEO friend had an observation on government workers.

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        1. Amy Magnus‏ @cleverclue 16 Aug 2019
          Replying to @paulg @anniefryman @roybahat

          So your underlying assumption is that the government working is a family person?

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        1. Mike Rosengarten‏ @itsmikerose 16 Sep 2019
          Replying to @paulg @anniefryman @roybahat

          I read this as "how can I get most of my work done by 5pm" and that is a good thing. Who doesn't want to be productive? I can see the other view, too, though. And... I sell to Government (hundreds+ customers at this point). Safely can say Gov workers are not lazy.

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