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    1. Paul Graham‏Verified account @paulg 27 Mar 2019
      Replying to @shl

      You're conflating a choice being likely to fail and being a bad decision. The former is not the latter if the expected value is high enough and you can bear the risk.

      12 replies 3 retweets 186 likes
    2. Sahil‏Verified account @shl 27 Mar 2019
      Replying to @paulg

      I never said it was a bad decision. I'm just saying the vast majority of the time it will not return in financial upside. sometimes it will, and it'll be huge. not dissimilar to vc, no?

      2 replies 0 retweets 44 likes
    3. Paul Graham‏Verified account @paulg 27 Mar 2019
      Replying to @shl

      You said it was almost always a terrible decision. You didn't mention the upside. You mentioned a couple other nonfinancial benefits, and concluded "that's about it." Surely anyone reading that tweet would infer you were saying that, financially, it was a bad decision.

      8 replies 0 retweets 82 likes
    4. Sahil‏Verified account @shl 27 Mar 2019
      Replying to @paulg

      financially, it turns out to be a bad decision most of the time. sometimes, it turns out to be a great decision. not including something doesn't mean I don't believe it!

      11 replies 1 retweet 60 likes
    5. Conrad Kramer‏Verified account @conradev 27 Mar 2019
      Replying to @shl @paulg

      expected value is a perfectly valid way to express probability – not the entire picture, but also not wrong fun part is that people joining a startup are given reason to believe their specific odds are better than most… which is part of the game… but also can be deceiving…

      1 reply 0 retweets 31 likes
    6. Itai Damti‏ @itaidamti 27 Mar 2019
      Replying to @conradev @shl @paulg

      Expected value is a dangerous tool for pricing startup equity & other animals in extremistan. @shl said: instead of justifying joining a startup with Pascal's Wager on equity, people should justify it with great things that startups can almost surely offer. Totally fair.

      2 replies 0 retweets 28 likes
    7. ɐɯısuǝq‏ @bensima 27 Mar 2019
      Replying to @itaidamti @conradev and

      Idk about your reasoning here. Extremistan is a great reason in favor of doing a startup assuming you 80/20 barbell your investment or otherwise cap the downside.

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    8. Itai Damti‏ @itaidamti 27 Mar 2019
      Replying to @bensima @conradev and

      Sounds like a perfect argument. So why isn't everyone starting a company?

      1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
    9. Paul Graham‏Verified account @paulg 27 Mar 2019
      Replying to @itaidamti @bensima and

      Few are suited for it.

      2 replies 0 retweets 15 likes
    10. James Lin‏ @jamescmlin 27 Mar 2019
      Replying to @paulg @itaidamti and

      The 1st employee bears about the same risk as the founders but gets 1/40th the upside, need to pick an unicorn to cash out >1M. VCs can spread out their risk with companies, early employees cannot, and I assume no better than VCs at picking winners.

      1 reply 3 retweets 27 likes
      Paul Graham‏Verified account @paulg 27 Mar 2019
      Replying to @jamescmlin @itaidamti and

      The first employee has the same risk as the founders at the point they join the company, but the founders started earlier when the risk was much greater. The point where they hire employee #1 is like a minute after the big bang. The universe is already enormous.

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        2. ɐɯısuǝq‏ @bensima 27 Mar 2019
          Replying to @paulg @jamescmlin and

          Also early employees can “spread out risk” (like black-swan-farming VCs) by trying lots of small experiments in the context of their single business/product. C.f. rule 2 https://www.edge.org/conversation/nassim_nicholas_taleb-understanding-is-a-poor-substitute-for-convexity-antifragility …

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        3. Andy Manoske  🔑‏ @a2d2 27 Mar 2019
          Replying to @bensima @paulg and

          I would challenge how realistic that is. As employee 1 or 10 (or even 30) you’re probably working insanely hard already if your company is growing. Working on side projects for downside protection doesn’t seem viable and wasn’t the case for me or anyone else I know.

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        2. Deva Hazarika‏ @devahaz 27 Mar 2019
          Replying to @paulg @jamescmlin and

          If a startup doesn’t work out, the early employees often end up doing a lot better financially overall than the founders.

          1 reply 0 retweets 16 likes
        3. Cahlan Sharp‏ @cahlan 27 Mar 2019
          Replying to @devahaz @paulg and

          not to mention early employees don’t have to worry about the _really_ bad consequences if things go far south, the least of which include damaged reputation

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        1. Henry Vasquez  🌆‏ @hvasquez 27 Mar 2019
          Replying to @paulg @shl

          Some of us were trained on the streets and couldn't get a fancy job at a FAANG company early on, so the startup life was the ticket.

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        2. Zachary Friedman‏ @_kulte 27 Mar 2019
          Replying to @paulg @jamescmlin and

          When exactly does the Big Bang occur though? If it’s at the genesis of the idea, you have a hard time differentiating between Founder #2 and Employee #1 in many (not all) cases.

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        3. Zachary Friedman‏ @_kulte 27 Mar 2019
          Replying to @_kulte @paulg and

          Also, how do you reconcile the (I believe correct) wisdom that ideas are worth far less than execution and Employee #1 is executing just as much if not more than Founders in many cases?

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        1. Max Kersting‏ @mpkersting 28 Mar 2019
          Replying to @paulg @jamescmlin and

          In addition, 1st employee can always leave, doesn’t have the same legal obligations. Founders signed up for a long ride with their co-founders and investors - in good times and bad times.

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        1. Humaira Khan‏ @humairawins 28 Mar 2019
          Replying to @paulg @vicsingh and

          Was a little upset that I didn’t reap the big rewards as an early employee, nor negotiated equity at my first startup that exited within 3 yrs. However, the credibility and experience is immeasurable, esp when looking to start my own company, and the opportunities I get bc of it.

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