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    1. Sahil‏Verified account @shl 27 Mar 2019

      Being an early employee at a startup is almost always a terrible decision financially. Great if you: - Want to start your own company - Want to learn a lot and grow ...That’s about it.

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    2. Paul Graham‏Verified account @paulg 27 Mar 2019
      Replying to @shl

      You're conflating a choice being likely to fail and being a bad decision. The former is not the latter if the expected value is high enough and you can bear the risk.

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    3. Sahil‏Verified account @shl 27 Mar 2019
      Replying to @paulg

      I never said it was a bad decision. I'm just saying the vast majority of the time it will not return in financial upside. sometimes it will, and it'll be huge. not dissimilar to vc, no?

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      Paul Graham‏Verified account @paulg 27 Mar 2019
      Replying to @shl

      You said it was almost always a terrible decision. You didn't mention the upside. You mentioned a couple other nonfinancial benefits, and concluded "that's about it." Surely anyone reading that tweet would infer you were saying that, financially, it was a bad decision.

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        1. David Toth‏ @jupiterunknown 27 Mar 2019
          Replying to @paulg @shl

          But isn't that indeed true for any single given early stage startup? If you work at 10 of them, them the risk goes way down, but if you just work at one or two...

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        2. Sahil‏Verified account @shl 27 Mar 2019
          Replying to @paulg

          financially, it turns out to be a bad decision most of the time. sometimes, it turns out to be a great decision. not including something doesn't mean I don't believe it!

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        3. Lean in Berlin‏ @leaninberlin 27 Mar 2019
          Replying to @shl @paulg

          we need a new word for “sometimes” if this “sometimes” is 0.001%

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        1. Ayush Sood‏ @ayushsood 27 Mar 2019
          Replying to @paulg @shl

          Risk-adjusted, financially, it's probably the most precarious position to be. Lower median with a vastly large variance. Post-Series A is much "safer" - but it's all about balancing the median + variance seesaw based on your appetite

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        2. Roy E. Bahat‏Verified account @roybahat 27 Mar 2019
          Replying to @paulg @shl

          Making career choices based on expected value? Dunno... you only have one life so n is too small to play the mean of small-chance big-outcome "rationally." Risk preference/aversion plays a role. It is, btw, a great decision financially if it is your only way into tech. Often is!

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        2. Kyle Tibbitts‏ @KyleTibbitts 27 Mar 2019
          Replying to @paulg @shl

          “Wanting to learn and grow” should be the #1 thing you optimize for in your career, especially early on. Building the muscle to learn/execute/iterate is a leading indicator of value vs. comp. The payday will come if you work hard and earn compound interest on your learnings.

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        3. Sahil‏Verified account @shl 27 Mar 2019
          Replying to @KyleTibbitts @paulg

          1000% agree! that part is huge. "that's about it" was more in reference to "just those two things" so focus on making sure you're getting them, not "those two things are meaningless" would edit if I could. 😫

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        1. Trent Mano  🧤 🍋 🧤‏ @TrentMano 27 Mar 2019
          Replying to @paulg @shl

          What are you asserting Paul? That joining a startup as one of it’s earliest employees is normally a good financial decision? Genuinely asking. Want to know how to pitch early employees for my startup better :)

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        1. Ani‏ @aniruddhc_ 27 Mar 2019
          Replying to @paulg @shl

          Joining a startup early is a bad financial decision no matter how you look at it. There's no liquidity, you cannot spread your risk, and, honestly, most startups don't solve hard tech problems. Of course, you want people to join startups since you'll make the money -- not them.

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