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    1. Paul Graham‏Verified account @paulg 18 Feb 2019

      Try this thought experiment: If new technology suddenly made it cheap to fix climate change, would Ocasio-Cortez stop wanting to raise taxes? I would guess not. I think the desire to raise taxes precedes the choice of how to spend the money.

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    2. Thomas Levenson, Zṓiarchos‏ @TomLevenson 18 Feb 2019
      Replying to @paulg

      This is profoundly stupid. I mean deeply so -- and I speak as someone who has often written about Einstein's thought experiments. It might (I hope would be true) that if we could fix our problems cheaply one would still support progressive taxation--but the tax levels wld change.

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    3. Thomas Levenson, Zṓiarchos‏ @TomLevenson 18 Feb 2019
      Replying to @TomLevenson @paulg

      But seriously: overall tax levels R broadly determined by national expenditure. If that drops; tax levels drop (or in our current case, remain the same until the Trump-tax-giveaway fiasco comes into balance). This "thought experiment" is the work of a petulant bad-faith-argument.

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    4. Paul Graham‏Verified account @paulg 18 Feb 2019
      Replying to @TomLevenson

      It's hard to tell exactly what your objection is. Here's what I'm saying. Politicians say they need to increase taxes massively to combat climate change. I believe if you took away that justification, they'd still want to increase taxes massively. Do you disagree?

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    5. Thomas Levenson, Zṓiarchos‏ @TomLevenson 18 Feb 2019
      Replying to @paulg

      Yes, as I said explicitly. (I don't know what was hard to figure out -- perhaps this is just a rhetorical attempt to dismiss an objection you find objectionable.) I do think that AOC (and I) would like to address the substantial lack of progressivity in the tax code...

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      Paul Graham‏Verified account @paulg 18 Feb 2019
      Replying to @TomLevenson

      It sounds like we agree then. The part I object to is saying that we need to do this because we need the money for x. It would have been more honest to say that she just wants the government to take the money, regardless of what it ends up being spent on.

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        2. Thomas Levenson, Zṓiarchos‏ @TomLevenson 18 Feb 2019
          Replying to @paulg

          I don't think that's true either, but as it's in the realm of the "what if", we can't resolve that disagreement.

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        3. Thomas Levenson, Zṓiarchos‏ @TomLevenson 18 Feb 2019
          Replying to @TomLevenson @paulg

          And, of course, climate change action is urgently needed, as any town mayor with a coast road will tell you. (And as I'm sure you know.)

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        2. Saikat Chakrabarti‏ @saikatc 18 Feb 2019
          Replying to @paulg @TomLevenson

          Paul, @AOC emphasizes that the purpose of raising taxes is not because we need money for the Green New Deal. Sure, it can be part of it, but any time the question is asked honestly, @AOC refers to financing it the same way we financed past big national projects.

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        3. Gina de Miranda 🌹‏ @GinadeMiranda2 18 Feb 2019
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          Raising taxes is necessary to RESTORE political balance as it is the available lucre combined with campaign expense that creates leverage for the uber wealthy. We need campaigns paid for and controlled by a public agency.

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        1. Pragmata Americana‏ @demontage2000 18 Feb 2019
          Replying to @paulg @TomLevenson

          Implicit moral foundations vary.

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        1. Donny  🌹 #PeoplesParty‏ @Donny_V 18 Feb 2019
          Replying to @paulg @TomLevenson

          Your literally making things up because you don't like the fact that you will actually have to pay your fair share finally. This isn't some moronic Atlas Shrugged book. Infrastructure is falling a part and people are dieing because of shitty healthcare.

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        1. Sébastien Willems‏ @sebwillems 18 Feb 2019
          Replying to @paulg @TomLevenson

          Its not about being honest but being focused. I am pretty sure she has education and healthcare on her list as well. Both of which the US should be ashamed of. Don’t act like its strange to focus on securing funding for your #1 and then see if you can fund more after that.

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        1. Stever Robbins‏ @SteverRobbins 18 Feb 2019
          Replying to @paulg @TomLevenson

          My understanding is that the national debt is rapidly reaching levels where interest payments will be as large as the military budget. We need to raise money through taxes b/c deficit financing has limits and we keep spending, regardless.

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        1. Furious‏ @chrisjoosse 18 Feb 2019
          Replying to @paulg @TomLevenson

          I think you've got the logic backwards here. We have work that wants doing, problems that need solving, spare human capacity to do it with, and all that's wanting is capital. You seem to think that this is just a post hoc rationale for a cash-grab.

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        1. JD‏ @wuputah 18 Feb 2019
          Replying to @paulg @TomLevenson

          When asked "how do we pay for it?" @aoc explicitly said "do it, then figure out how to pay for it" so you are just spouting nonsense.

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