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    1. Paul Graham‏Verified account @paulg 18 Feb 2019

      Try this thought experiment: If new technology suddenly made it cheap to fix climate change, would Ocasio-Cortez stop wanting to raise taxes? I would guess not. I think the desire to raise taxes precedes the choice of how to spend the money.

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    2. Thomas Levenson, Zṓiarchos‏ @TomLevenson 18 Feb 2019
      Replying to @paulg

      This is profoundly stupid. I mean deeply so -- and I speak as someone who has often written about Einstein's thought experiments. It might (I hope would be true) that if we could fix our problems cheaply one would still support progressive taxation--but the tax levels wld change.

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    3. Thomas Levenson, Zṓiarchos‏ @TomLevenson 18 Feb 2019
      Replying to @TomLevenson @paulg

      But seriously: overall tax levels R broadly determined by national expenditure. If that drops; tax levels drop (or in our current case, remain the same until the Trump-tax-giveaway fiasco comes into balance). This "thought experiment" is the work of a petulant bad-faith-argument.

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      Paul Graham‏Verified account @paulg 18 Feb 2019
      Replying to @TomLevenson

      It's hard to tell exactly what your objection is. Here's what I'm saying. Politicians say they need to increase taxes massively to combat climate change. I believe if you took away that justification, they'd still want to increase taxes massively. Do you disagree?

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        2. Ben Klug  🌹 ⛵️‏ @silkandstone 18 Feb 2019
          Replying to @paulg @TomLevenson

          Are you claiming that they have more necessary infrastructure projects to fund (true) or that politicians want to raise taxes as some kind of 'taxation is an inherent good even if we have no use for it' principle?

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        3. Ben Klug  🌹 ⛵️‏ @silkandstone 18 Feb 2019
          Replying to @silkandstone @paulg @TomLevenson

          Because that second position, which appears to be yours, is a baffling straw man.

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        2. Thomas Levenson, Zṓiarchos‏ @TomLevenson 18 Feb 2019
          Replying to @paulg

          Yes, as I said explicitly. (I don't know what was hard to figure out -- perhaps this is just a rhetorical attempt to dismiss an objection you find objectionable.) I do think that AOC (and I) would like to address the substantial lack of progressivity in the tax code...

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        3. Thomas Levenson, Zṓiarchos‏ @TomLevenson 18 Feb 2019
          Replying to @TomLevenson @paulg

          2/ but that's not the same as a change in the overall tax level, as you certainly know. I'll add that the US faces a massive undfunded infrastructure deficit, just in maintenance, and not even getting to bringing our national physical plant to 21st c. standards...

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        1. Kent Brewster‏ @kentbrew 18 Feb 2019
          Replying to @paulg @TomLevenson

          You keep saying "increase taxes massively." That seems like an oversimplification that ought to be defined before further discussion. Increase which taxes, how massively, and upon whom?

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        1. Benjamin Shapero‏ @realBenShapero 18 Feb 2019
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          And if taxes were high, they're still want to address climate change. So?

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        1. Harald‏ @equalitus 18 Feb 2019
          Replying to @paulg @TomLevenson

          "Increase taxes massively", would mean equalizing and distributing to the level of current France or Germany, this is what most American social democrats want, and democratic socialists are mostly the same.

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        1. Harald‏ @equalitus 18 Feb 2019
          Replying to @paulg @TomLevenson

          They can also fund the GND by increasing inflation but preferably no more than up to 5%. Would also help reduce the burden of private debt.

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        1. Fooffalo Phil‏ @dSmk 18 Feb 2019
          Replying to @paulg @TomLevenson

          My objection is that you're using the rhetorical framing of a thought experiment to speak a belief you're pulling out of nowhere. You're disguising a dishonest tautology as an experiment.

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        1. Kathryn Cannon‏ @katiecannon2 19 Feb 2019
          Replying to @paulg @TomLevenson

          What role do federal taxes play in our economy where the government issues the dollars we use to pay tax? This is what you are missing: Where money comes from in the first place. And the role of federal taxes in our economy

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