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    1. Julia Galef‏Verified account @juliagalef 30 Jan 2019

      Julia Galef Retweeted Paul Graham

      For a long time I thought ppl were saying dumb things about rationality, until I realized they were using a different definition of rationality from me. I think their definition is something like "If social consensus is that an idea is unpromising, then that idea is irrational"https://twitter.com/paulg/status/1090608908534800384 …

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      Paul GrahamVerified account @paulg
      Airbnb for example. What rational person would work on such an unpromising idea? But we could see that they were like us in being really into their apparently unpromising idea, so we suspended our disbelief.
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    2. Paul Graham‏Verified account @paulg 30 Jan 2019
      Replying to @juliagalef

      Not so much that the consensus is x, but that an intelligent, unbiased (or if you prefer, nonspecialist) person would conclude x.

      7 replies 0 retweets 26 likes
    3. Julia Galef‏Verified account @juliagalef 30 Jan 2019
      Replying to @paulg

      Yeah, that does seem closer to the definition people are using. But it still means that people who are correctly perceiving something that most other intelligent people can't perceive get classified as irrational.

      3 replies 0 retweets 31 likes
      Paul Graham‏Verified account @paulg 30 Jan 2019
      Replying to @juliagalef

      I wasn't talking about what people perceive so much as what they enjoy. E.g. Wozniak didn't start building computers because he perceived that microcomputers would be a big business, but rather because he enjoyed it. So financially it was an irrational choice.

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        2. Julia Galef‏Verified account @juliagalef 30 Jan 2019
          Replying to @paulg

          Yeah, I would just bundle the financial, hedonic, and other potential benefits/losses together under the umbrella term "utility," and talk about whether the decision is rational overall, with respect to utility

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        3. Alys‏ @Actuallyalys 30 Jan 2019
          Replying to @juliagalef @paulg

          I think the definition of 'rational' as 'financially optimal' comes from classical economics — or maybe an oversimplification of classical economics — bleeding over. It's not a bad definition, but it's not widely useful outside of economics, imho

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        2. Paul Graham‏Verified account @paulg 30 Jan 2019
          Replying to @paulg @juliagalef

          What's going on here is that when some people (people at the leading edge of some change) like something, it's not as random as they think. Wozniak seems to like something the same way a model train enthusiast does, but in *his* case his liking has predictive value.

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        3. Julia Galef‏Verified account @juliagalef 30 Jan 2019
          Replying to @paulg

          Yup. Same thing for scientists who "irrationally" refuse to give up on a theory when it seems to be contradicted by experimental results. Sometimes, a good scientist's intuitions - e.g., about the predictive value of "beauty" or "elegance" in a theory - turn out to be correct

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