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    1. Paul Graham‏Verified account @paulg 12 Jan 2019

      What if your model takes into account the fact that if income taxes are high enough, startups stop happening? These economists tried it, and found the optimal tax rate is 29%. https://www8.gsb.columbia.edu/faculty-research/sites/faculty-research/files/finance/Macro%20Workshop/toptax.pdf …

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    2. Tom Piotrowski‏ @PvB73 12 Jan 2019
      Replying to @paulg

      how should we look at the startups in Scandinavia and other countries with really high taxes?

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      Paul Graham‏Verified account @paulg 12 Jan 2019
      Replying to @PvB73

      The obvious implication is that there would be more if taxes were lower.

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        1. Tom Piotrowski‏ @PvB73 12 Jan 2019
          Replying to @paulg

          Yes, but there is a difference between “startups stop happening” and less startups. I think as everything it’s a very individual case if one chooses to make a startup or not. High taxes are just one of the market conditions to face.

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        2. loophole‏ @ErrickRanford 12 Jan 2019
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          Actually the rate of startups is higher in Scandinavia because there’s no life threatening down side to risk taking like there is in America. High tax rate is fine if it provides a social failure safety net. High taxes in the US won’t improve American social nets. Just military.

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        3. loophole‏ @ErrickRanford 12 Jan 2019
          Replying to @ErrickRanford @paulg @PvB73

          Stockholm 2nd highest rate of startups after silicon valley... here’s why.https://youtu.be/eRgvM_xXNy0 

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        2. Yuri‏ @YuriWerewolf 12 Jan 2019
          Replying to @paulg @PvB73

          Higher income taxes are better for number of start-ups, as you grow your company tax-free and pay capital gains on exit. Income taxes penalize employees

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        3. Tom Piotrowski‏ @PvB73 12 Jan 2019
          Replying to @YuriWerewolf @paulg

          You are right. I still think this is a investors point of view not a founders that has to pay the income tax if he is employed in the company. But as @MichaelKogan14 and @ErrickRanford pointed out it's not only the taxes that matter and the capital gain taxes are lower.

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        2. Frans Ekman‏ @Frans81 12 Jan 2019
          Replying to @paulg @PvB73

          In Scandinavia and all Nordic countries startups get plenty of government grants. That helps a bit but just lowering the taxes instead would probably be a more efficient option.

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        3. Tom Piotrowski‏ @PvB73 12 Jan 2019
          Replying to @Frans81 @paulg

          True that, but not always of course. And it's not so true that the grants are that easy and sometimes they're not really grants either. Still I guess it's easier to get VC's in the US than in Europe. And the US VC's tend to more prepared for risks than in Europe.

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        2. Sam Vilain, star of Flight of the Emacs Chords‏ @sam__v__n 12 Jan 2019
          Replying to @paulg @PvB73

          ...if the assumptions are correct, which they're not. Particularly that it's cash in hand after tax which is the motivating factor. Generally it's *relative* income levels which motivate those who scorekeep their success based on their income. Tax doesn't matter.

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        3. #Doomberg: Marxist-Yeagerist ⌬‏ @delmoi 12 Jan 2019
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          Exactly. This is just propaganda with equations.

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        1. Alex Kennberg‏ @akennberg 12 Jan 2019
          Replying to @paulg @PvB73

          Their end reward also includes being acquired out of Scandinavia.

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