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    1. Paul Graham‏Verified account @paulg 3 Nov 2018

      In principle programmers are supposed to write correct code. But I wonder if in practice it's possible to solve really hard problems without incorrect code as an intermediate step.

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      Paul Graham‏Verified account @paulg 3 Nov 2018

      I don't just mean partial solutions. I mean code with bugs.

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        1. Thomas Depierre‏ @Di4naO 3 Nov 2018
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          Do not call them intermediate steps. The problems move as much as your code. You will never reach the "correct" solution. This is an adaptive system. So by definition, no it is not possible.

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        2. John Evans‏ @john_evans3 3 Nov 2018
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          Probably not. Perfect code that solves hard problems is probably NP complete. P=/=NP.

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        3. John Evans‏ @john_evans3 3 Nov 2018
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          But maybe you could create a kind of SAT solver for drafting code that uses a mix of brute force and statistical algorithms to attack the problem efficiently

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        2. Ajay‏ @ajaypramod 3 Nov 2018

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        1. A space cowboy named Spike‏ @TreeFidyNoScope 3 Nov 2018
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          What would be considered bugs in this context if the program solves the problem?

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        1. JP Mehigan‏ @JPMehigan 3 Nov 2018
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          Analogous to writing: draft, draft, draft, draft . . . stop and publish. Each version “fixing the bugs” & introducing new ones. Typically externals determine the stop.

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        1. Nikolay Tsenkov‏ @NikolayTsenkov 3 Nov 2018
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          I assume you don’t mean “Can we release software without bugs?” and you mean “Can we release software solving a hard problem with all intermediate discoveries (usually taking agile iterations) done beforehand and only release after we have addressed all these issues?”. Waterfall?

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        1. Domantas Jackūnas‏ @DJackunas 3 Nov 2018
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          Depends on the definition of the bug it self. A requirement might be inherintly buggy due to misunderstanding of the problem. Is the code buggy implicitly then? Imho speed to verify the understanding is more valuable than bug-free code aka lean practices.

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        1. Daniel 'mavrick' Lang‏ @mavrickmaster 3 Nov 2018
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          writing code is easy, solving complex problems with clean maintainable code is hard.

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