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    Paul Graham‏Verified account @paulg Oct 31

    If you optimize for engagement, it turns out you optimize for lies.

    11:32 PM - 31 Oct 2018
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      2. Adam David Long‏ @adamdavidlong Oct 31
        Replying to @paulg

        1/ Don’t know if it makes you feel any better but Socrates (at least according to Plato) agrees with you “To use rhetoric for good, rhetoric cannot exist alone. It must depend on philosophy to guide its morality, he argues. Socrates therefore believes that

        2 replies 4 retweets 43 likes
      3. Adam David Long‏ @adamdavidlong Oct 31
        Replying to @adamdavidlong @paulg

        2/ morality is not inherent in rhetoric and that without philosophy, rhetoric is simply used to persuade for personal gain”. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gorgias_(dialogue) …

        1 reply 4 retweets 36 likes
      4. Eric Braun‏ @SouthShoreEric Nov 1
        Replying to @adamdavidlong @paulg

        But if we look at @Facebook, they talk of a philosophy of doing good while pushing internally for more engagement/revenue "at any cost". They don't want to believe they're doing bad, so they 1st lie to self then lie to public

        1 reply 1 retweet 7 likes
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      2. Damon Kiesow‏ @dkiesow Nov 2
        Replying to @paulg

        Which anyone with a passing knowledge of how the brain works might have warned us of if FB/Twitter had a mission of social good instead of raw growth and profit.

        1 reply 1 retweet 3 likes
      3. Justin Hendrix‏Verified account @justinhendrix Nov 2
        Replying to @dkiesow @paulg

        *DID warn us of

        1 reply 1 retweet 7 likes
      4. Damon Kiesow‏ @dkiesow Nov 2
        Replying to @justinhendrix @paulg

        Fair. Really - if the right people had listened.

        2 replies 1 retweet 4 likes
      5. Justin Hendrix‏Verified account @justinhendrix Nov 2
        Replying to @dkiesow @paulg

        We need new laws.

        1 reply 1 retweet 3 likes
      6. Michael‏ @MMosiuc Nov 4
        Replying to @justinhendrix @dkiesow @paulg

        Laws don’t cut it. Fundamental education needs to be upgraded. We educate our children in an industrial based framework while society has evolved way faster.

        0 replies 0 retweets 6 likes
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      2. Rob Miles‏ @robertskmiles Nov 1
        Replying to @paulg

        If you optimise for pretty much anything other than truth you get mostly falsehood, because most things aren't true

        2 replies 3 retweets 26 likes
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      2. Amine Ouertani  📚  💻 ☪️‏ @amine_ouertani Nov 1
        Replying to @paulg

        What is difference between retention and engagement?

        1 reply 1 retweet 1 like
      3. Taylor Grigsby‏ @TaylorGrigsby Nov 1
        Replying to @amine_ouertani @paulg

        Retention = Getting people to login Engagement = What they do after they login

        1 reply 1 retweet 8 likes
      4. Amine Ouertani  📚  💻 ☪️‏ @amine_ouertani Nov 1
        Replying to @TaylorGrigsby @paulg

        So if they login and don't use any features that is retention?

        1 reply 1 retweet 0 likes
      5. Taylor Grigsby‏ @TaylorGrigsby Nov 1
        Replying to @amine_ouertani @paulg

        If you get someone to login and he/she leaves after one page view (bounce rate) and very little time on site (TOS), then I wouldn’t consider that an engaged user. So you can have high retention with low engagement. Everyone has unique metrics considering their business

        2 replies 1 retweet 7 likes
      6. Taylor Grigsby‏ @TaylorGrigsby Nov 1
        Replying to @TaylorGrigsby @amine_ouertani @paulg

        @andrewchen has great content and insights on retention and engagement.

        0 replies 0 retweets 4 likes
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      2. Nick Walsh‏ @TheNickWalsh Oct 31
        Replying to @paulg

        The first mistake is letting another company define your successful engagement metric 😉

        3 replies 3 retweets 37 likes
      3. Rakesh Sidana‏ @rakeshsidana Nov 1
        Replying to @TheNickWalsh @paulg

        .... Also remove your own team's engagement as a data points... your own employees/testers with different IP address are lies :) #EngagementMatric

        1 reply 0 retweets 7 likes
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      2. Michael Min‏ @SKMichaelMin Oct 31
        Replying to @paulg

        How so?

        3 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
      3. Itamar Kestenbaum‏ @itamarok Oct 31
        Replying to @SKMichaelMin @paulg

        He got you to engage!

        1 reply 0 retweets 10 likes
      4. Michael Min‏ @SKMichaelMin Oct 31
        Replying to @itamarok @paulg

        🤯

        0 replies 0 retweets 11 likes
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