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    1. Paul Hundred‏ @paul_hundred Oct 18
      Replying to @salonium

      Then libertarianism has a fateful problem

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    2. Saloni‏ @salonium Oct 18
      Replying to @paul_hundred

      ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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    3. Saloni‏ @salonium Oct 18
      Replying to @salonium @paul_hundred

      I find both the libertarian & utilitarian arguments convincing fwiw. A strong utilitarian case against open borders would persuade me if it existed

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    4. Myron Gaines  🇺🇸 🇮🇳‏ @MyronGaines1337 Oct 18
      Replying to @salonium @paul_hundred

      Open borders is an admirable sentiment, but it's too dangerous, radical, and untested a proposition to turn USA into mega-Qatar.

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    5. Paul Hundred‏ @paul_hundred Oct 18
      Replying to @MyronGaines1337 @salonium

      Yeah it’s foolishly imprudent from a Burkean standpoint, but it’s also completely unethical from a libertarian standpoint.

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    6. Saloni‏ @salonium Oct 18
      Replying to @paul_hundred @MyronGaines1337

      All this tells me is that you don't understand the libertarian negative rights position

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    7. Paul Hundred‏ @paul_hundred Oct 18
      Replying to @salonium @MyronGaines1337

      Are consenting adult property owners not allowed to make agreements to regulate access to their joint territory?

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    8. Saloni‏ @salonium Oct 18
      Replying to @paul_hundred @MyronGaines1337

      They are allowed: that is the libertarian argument. National borders that aren't universally agreed upon shouldn't override individual property owners' preferences.

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    9. Saloni‏ @salonium Oct 18
      Replying to @salonium @paul_hundred @MyronGaines1337

      He says this in the blogpost as well.

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    10. Paul Hundred‏ @paul_hundred Oct 18
      Replying to @salonium @MyronGaines1337

      Right, so crossing borders isn’t negative freedom

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      Paul Hundred‏ @paul_hundred Oct 18
      Replying to @paul_hundred @salonium @MyronGaines1337

      You can advocate benefits of open borders but restriction is legitimate prerogative of citizens

      9:09 PM - 18 Oct 2018
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        1. Paul Hundred‏ @paul_hundred Oct 18
          Replying to @paul_hundred @salonium @MyronGaines1337

          We can pick this up again later but i’ve been struck by the silence induced by the club goods argument, which should only be a problem for libertarians if they’ve reified the state, a category error

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        2. Saloni‏ @salonium Oct 18
          Replying to @paul_hundred @MyronGaines1337

          Yes if *every single* citizen has jointly agreed to restrict immigration into their property. Open borders = open national borders, that the state shouldn't overrule citizens' property rights. Not difficult to understand

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        3. Paul Hundred‏ @paul_hundred Oct 18
          Replying to @salonium @MyronGaines1337

          Nope, club goods don’t require 100% consensus all the time

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        4. Saloni‏ @salonium Oct 18
          Replying to @paul_hundred @MyronGaines1337

          Not a great argument. Countries aren't like clubs. People are able to join and leave (multiple) clubs mostly at will (and if they can't, they should be allowed to) based on some prior knowledge and expectations of rules

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        5. Saloni‏ @salonium Oct 18
          Replying to @salonium @paul_hundred @MyronGaines1337

          The point anyway is that it's completely consistent with other libertarian negative rights arguments & honestly I'm more open to the possibility that the negative/positive rights distinction is useless than the idea that it's inconsistent with libertarianism

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        6. Paul Hundred‏ @paul_hundred Oct 19
          Replying to @salonium @MyronGaines1337

          Yeah you don’t want to die on the “countries are not clubs” hill, special pleading is no way to go

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        7. Myron Gaines  🇺🇸 🇮🇳‏ @MyronGaines1337 Oct 19
          Replying to @paul_hundred @salonium

          I dunno, I think she has a point. Countries are club goods in some respects (access to defense, trade, culture, education etc.) but the AnCap project is to privatize those things, so that would remove the things that make countries club goods.

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        8. Myron Gaines  🇺🇸 🇮🇳‏ @MyronGaines1337 Oct 19
          Replying to @MyronGaines1337 @paul_hundred @salonium

          (Whether the AnCap project is a good idea is a different question, and personally my answer is no.)

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        9. Paul Hundred‏ @paul_hundred Oct 19
          Replying to @MyronGaines1337 @salonium

          If members of the club vote to dissolve (or to simply cease regulating access) then you get open borders (or devolution of borders to HOAs or what have you.)

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