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On virtue, venture, family, freedom, crypto and (of course) building startup countries on the ocean.

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    1. Patri Friedman‏ @patrissimo Jan 25

      Patri Friedman Retweeted Will Wilkinson  🌐

      I suppose if you're too literal to understand his work on myths, too wimpy to value his teaching strong-but-not-macho masculinity, and too unlibertarian to care about him defending free speech, @jordanbpeterson is merely a respected professor. Mystifying indeed.https://twitter.com/willwilkinson/status/956173875083059201 …

      Patri Friedman added,

      Will Wilkinson  🌐Verified account @willwilkinson
      Mystified by this Jordan Peterson thing. He seems dense as agate.
      1 reply 3 retweets 16 likes
    2. Will Wilkinson  🌐‏Verified account @willwilkinson Jan 25
      Replying to @patrissimo @jordanbpeterson

      So much identity-defending cultiness around the guy. His stuff on pomo, race, and gender is just utter trash. I'm saddened smart people I admire have been taken in.

      4 replies 0 retweets 7 likes
    3. Michael Wiebe‏ @michael_wiebe Jan 25
      Replying to @willwilkinson @patrissimo @jordanbpeterson

      What's your take on the three points Patri mentioned?

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    4. Will Wilkinson  🌐‏Verified account @willwilkinson Jan 25
      Replying to @michael_wiebe @patrissimo @jordanbpeterson

      Don't know the myths work, but super skeptical of the empirical credibility of Jungian stuff generally; strong but not macho is great; love free speech, so naturally quite alarmed by the extent to which "free speech" has become a front for bigotry.

      1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
    5. Patri Friedman‏ @patrissimo Jan 25
      Replying to @willwilkinson @michael_wiebe @jordanbpeterson

      Thanks for the substantive reply! Can you give me an example where you see Peterson using free speech as a front for bigotry? I have only listened to a few hours of his interview and lectures, so I could have missed that part.

      2 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
    6. Will Wilkinson  🌐‏Verified account @willwilkinson Jan 25
      Replying to @patrissimo @michael_wiebe @jordanbpeterson

      He first came to wide public attention protesting Canadian human rights protections for trans people, and refusing to afford trans people the dignity of their preferred pronouns, on free speech grounds.

      6 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    7. Patri Friedman‏ @patrissimo Jan 25
      Replying to @willwilkinson @michael_wiebe @jordanbpeterson

      My dad, who is not a bigot, has the same view. He sees it as deeply wrong for someone to think they own or control someone else's choice of words. Fine to request, nice to honor the request, but to insist or call it a right is thought control. Consider you might be wrong on this.

      2 replies 1 retweet 3 likes
    8. Tesssssssss  🐍‏ @hober Jan 27
      Replying to @patrissimo @willwilkinson @jordanbpeterson

      The same view? Are you saying your dad opposes the extension of human rights protections for trans people, and/or refuses to afford trans people the dignity of their pronouns?

      2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
      Patri Friedman‏ @patrissimo Jan 27
      Replying to @hober @willwilkinson @jordanbpeterson

      Each of us decides if we see another person as liar or honest, kind or cruel, weak or strong, him or her. There may be social consequences for speaking judgments contradictory to social consensus (calling an honest person a liar), but an odd opinion should not be a crime.

      3:29 PM - 27 Jan 2018
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        2. Will Wilkinson  🌐‏Verified account @willwilkinson Jan 27
          Replying to @patrissimo @hober @jordanbpeterson

          No one here thinks odd opinions should be crimes. I worry about the trend of conflating social censure for bigoted speech ("PC") with the outright criminalization of expression, which has led some to think that rejecting evolving norms of decency is brave rather than vile.

          3 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
        3. Will Wilkinson  🌐‏Verified account @willwilkinson Jan 27
          Replying to @willwilkinson @patrissimo and

          I oppose hate speech laws, which I think are a misguided way to officially acknowledge something that is true: that people are oppressed in groups, and that rights lack worth if members of groups can be systemically denied dignity.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        4. Patri Friedman‏ @patrissimo Jan 28
          Replying to @willwilkinson @hober @jordanbpeterson

          "X chooses what pronouns to use for others" => "X is systematically denying dignity to a group to oppress them". Quite a leap, from an individual choice to an act of group oppression. Make such leaps if you want, but don't expect any libertarians to follow you.

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