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    Patri Friedman‏ @patrissimo 5 Apr 2017

    Object-oriented programming is analogous to property rights/contracts, @esrtweet has said. Seems also analogous to personal boundaries.

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      2.  💻 🐴Ngnghm‏ @Ngnghm 5 Apr 2017
        Replying to @patrissimo @esrtweet

        "object-oriented programming" is a non-sensical marketing slogan with no relationship to either property rights or contracts.

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      3. Patri Friedman‏ @patrissimo 5 Apr 2017
        Replying to @Ngnghm @esrtweet

        Perhaps you are too young to have coded using only global vars & method args. It was a mess. Collecting data/methods was real/profound

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      4.  💻 🐴Ngnghm‏ @Ngnghm 5 Apr 2017
        Replying to @patrissimo @esrtweet

        The concept that OOP is ineffectively grasping at and preventing progress on is scoping, an elementary concept in functional programming.

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      2. Eric S. Raymond‏ @esrtweet 5 Apr 2017
        Replying to @patrissimo

        I don't remember ever analogizing OO to property rights. Source?

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      3. Patri Friedman‏ @patrissimo 5 Apr 2017
        Replying to @esrtweet

        It was a conversation with my dad about 20 years ago, though perhaps I am misremembering​ the details.

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      4. Eric S. Raymond‏ @esrtweet 5 Apr 2017
        Replying to @patrissimo

        Alas, I think you are.

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      2.  💻 🐴Ngnghm‏ @Ngnghm 5 Apr 2017
        Replying to @patrissimo @esrtweet

        In the end, "OOP" is a package deal of unrelated ideas, often corrupted, half-baked, or frozen at an immature stage, used to sell toxic PLs.

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      3. Patri Friedman‏ @patrissimo 5 Apr 2017
        Replying to @Ngnghm @esrtweet

        In this century, sure. I think you are inflating my claim / underestimating how objects improved on global variables and passing structs

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      4.  💻 🐴Ngnghm‏ @Ngnghm 6 Apr 2017
        Replying to @patrissimo @esrtweet

        Objects never helped with global variables. Lexical and dynamic scoping did, OO languages only reluctantly adopted the former only from FP.

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      1.  💻 🐴Ngnghm‏ @Ngnghm 5 Apr 2017
        Replying to @patrissimo @esrtweet

        The actual central feature to save in "OOP" is *ad hoc polymorphism*, much better done in Lisp or Haskell classes than in any "OO" PL.

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      1.  💻 🐴Ngnghm‏ @Ngnghm 5 Apr 2017
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        What "information hiding" tries and fails to properly address is abstraction, i.e. scoping, lambdas, etc.

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      1.  💻 🐴Ngnghm‏ @Ngnghm 5 Apr 2017
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        "Information hiding", often claimed essential to "OOP", is Parnas' totalitarian idea: prevent programmers from seeing each other's code&docs

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      1.  💻 🐴Ngnghm‏ @Ngnghm 5 Apr 2017
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        Analogous to property rights are variants of linear logic, as used in e.g. Rust. Contracts? Eiffel tried them first, but Racket nailed them.

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