Historically, men really only desired ONE thing from women -- her high-quality Alpha-Female genes. Women, however, desire TWO things from men -- his high-quality Alpha-Male genes, AND his provisioning. It's far more challenging for women to get TWO needs met from ONE man.
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Replying to @buck_tulson
Uh...a woman who Chuck's her infant in a dumpster does a man no evolutionary good. A man (driven by evolution) must by definition value a woman's caregiving.
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Replying to @patrissimo
Clearly there's more to relationship investment for men than a just a woman's genes. The bigger point here is that women need more from a man than men need from a woman -- namely, security & provisioning. Women's greater needs are what drive her resistance to monogamy.
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Replying to @buck_tulson
Your model is fundamentally feminist and anti-male, because it describes relationships where the man is making ongoing investments, but the woman isn't. That's broken. A real man wants to get ongoing investment (ie female Beta) in exchange for what he gives.
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Replying to @buck_tulson
You said "Women desire TWO things from men..Alpha-Male genes, AND his provisioning." but "men only desired ONE..her Alpha-Female genes." This is equivalent to saying "men & women can each offer genes, but only men can offer ongoing investment (provisioning)"
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Replying to @patrissimo @buck_tulson
In other words, you are saying men have ongoing investment to offer (which women want), but women have no ongoing investment to offer (since you said men don't need anything from women). That's a dynamic where men give, and women don't.
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Replying to @patrissimo @buck_tulson
The reality is that in a successful mating couple, both man and woman give ongoing investment, over years or decades. Both contributions are valuable. A mating pair with a deadbeat dad (doesn't provision) or a deadbeat mom (doesn't care) is a shitty mating pair.
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Replying to @patrissimo @buck_tulson
So, just like any rational female will look for a dad with Beta (who will provision, not run), any rational male will look for a woman with Beta (who will care, not abandon). Your posited weird dynamic where women need providing men but men don't need caring women is just wrong.
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Replying to @patrissimo
Your mistake is assuming that men and women are equals -- are carbon copies of each other. They are not. You base everything on the false premise that "men and women are functional equals."
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Men and women contribute different things to evolutionary fitness, but they both contribute. And it is men whose ongoing contribution is less essential - far easier to have 1000 great-grandchildren with an absent dad (Genghis Khan?) than an absent mom.
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