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On virtue, venture, family, freedom, crypto and (of course) building startup countries on the ocean - because we need new mechanisms, not new leaders.

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    1. Patri Friedman‏ @patrissimo Oct 29

      Patri Friedman Retweeted Arjun Narayan

      Social credit systems benefit minorities and reduce race-based discrimination. Yet another case where the ignorant beliefs of baizhou (whiny first world whites) harm social justice while claiming to support it.https://twitter.com/narayanarjun/status/1056920436959789062 …

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      Arjun Narayan @narayanarjun
      Lots of white people liking this. I want to offer a different perspective as to why social credit rocks. White people can do lots of antisocial shit, but enjoy a presumption of innocence. You know the best outcome of Uber's social credit system? Black people can get cabs now. https://twitter.com/Psythor/status/1056811593177227264 …
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    2. Alex Gladstein‏Verified account @gladstein Oct 29
      Replying to @patrissimo

      I see where you are coming from (and may even agree in the case of free countries) but evidence suggests that ethnic, sexual, and religious minorities as well as political dissidents will suffer greatly under the Chinese dictatorship’s new social credit systems.

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      Patri Friedman‏ @patrissimo Oct 29
      Replying to @gladstein

      Sure, there may be country-specific factors that lead to that. But most Westerners seem to be reacting against the idea as dystopic on its face, not realizing that data-based social credit actually counteracts the pervasive racism that stems from humans' intuitive stereotyping.

      3:38 PM - 29 Oct 2018 from San Jose, CA
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        2. Patri Friedman‏ @patrissimo Oct 29
          Replying to @0x6c6f6d @gladstein

          If stereotypes are wrong, a data-based approach will reveal that. Whereas we know our human brains tend to crudely stereotype, right or wrong.

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        3. Erwan‏ @0x6c6f6d Oct 29
          Replying to @patrissimo @gladstein

          People won't stop stereotyping because some government score tells them the person is fine. The deeply entrenched stereotypes you refer to are mitigated over multiple generations. I'm skeptical you can hasten that process by using a score.

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        4. Erwan‏ @0x6c6f6d Oct 29
          Replying to @0x6c6f6d @patrissimo @gladstein

          Or that a score would be more efficient than a suit. Many reasons. The first one is that there is a mismatch between your expectation that people will work to correct their biases and the reality, that people will rationalize them until repeated positive experience corrects it.

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        5. Erwan‏ @0x6c6f6d Oct 29
          Replying to @0x6c6f6d @patrissimo @gladstein

          "This fellow has a high score because of the affirmative action", "That fellow has a high score because this is a fellow-owned bank and they control the world" etc. no way the state has enough trust capital to have the citizenry rely on it, it will have to be through coercion

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        6. Patri Friedman‏ @patrissimo Oct 30
          Replying to @0x6c6f6d @gladstein

          If an Uber driver sees your score and not your picture...seems like that works. I think people's stereotypes (racist for example) are mild, and cause harm in aggregate. But because they are mild, they are easy to override with data.

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        1. Alex Gladstein‏Verified account @gladstein Oct 29
          Replying to @patrissimo

          Right. The difference between these systems in dictatorships and democracies in terms of human rights implications is vast! At least for the moment :)

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        1. Cas9‏ @CrisprandCrypto Oct 30
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          Do you believe in evolution?

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        1. Sharal Packaluh‏ @manOfModernity Oct 30
          Replying to @patrissimo @gladstein

          a) doesn't necessarily entail that it stems from the individual believing their race is superior b) doesn't necessarily entail that immutable characteristics are teh determining factor that's a massively charged leap of faith

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        2. Sharal Packaluh‏ @manOfModernity Oct 30
          Replying to @patrissimo @gladstein

          This is idea that there's "pervasive racism" is just nuts. Racism is prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior. Because we make snapshot judgements about people ...

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        3. Cas9‏ @CrisprandCrypto Oct 30
          Replying to @manOfModernity @patrissimo @gladstein

          Do you believe in evolution?

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