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    Patri Friedman‏ @patrissimo Oct 29

    Patri Friedman Retweeted Arjun Narayan

    Social credit systems benefit minorities and reduce race-based discrimination. Yet another case where the ignorant beliefs of baizhou (whiny first world whites) harm social justice while claiming to support it.https://twitter.com/narayanarjun/status/1056920436959789062 …

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    Arjun Narayan @narayanarjun
    Lots of white people liking this. I want to offer a different perspective as to why social credit rocks. White people can do lots of antisocial shit, but enjoy a presumption of innocence. You know the best outcome of Uber's social credit system? Black people can get cabs now. https://twitter.com/Psythor/status/1056811593177227264 …
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      2. Alex Gladstein‏Verified account @gladstein Oct 29
        Replying to @patrissimo

        I see where you are coming from (and may even agree in the case of free countries) but evidence suggests that ethnic, sexual, and religious minorities as well as political dissidents will suffer greatly under the Chinese dictatorship’s new social credit systems.

        1 reply 0 retweets 6 likes
      3. Patri Friedman‏ @patrissimo Oct 29
        Replying to @gladstein

        Sure, there may be country-specific factors that lead to that. But most Westerners seem to be reacting against the idea as dystopic on its face, not realizing that data-based social credit actually counteracts the pervasive racism that stems from humans' intuitive stereotyping.

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      5. Patri Friedman‏ @patrissimo Oct 29
        Replying to @0x6c6f6d @gladstein

        If stereotypes are wrong, a data-based approach will reveal that. Whereas we know our human brains tend to crudely stereotype, right or wrong.

        2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
      6. Erwan‏ @0x6c6f6d Oct 29
        Replying to @patrissimo @gladstein

        People won't stop stereotyping because some government score tells them the person is fine. The deeply entrenched stereotypes you refer to are mitigated over multiple generations. I'm skeptical you can hasten that process by using a score.

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      7. Erwan‏ @0x6c6f6d Oct 29
        Replying to @0x6c6f6d @patrissimo @gladstein

        Or that a score would be more efficient than a suit. Many reasons. The first one is that there is a mismatch between your expectation that people will work to correct their biases and the reality, that people will rationalize them until repeated positive experience corrects it.

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      8. Erwan‏ @0x6c6f6d Oct 29
        Replying to @0x6c6f6d @patrissimo @gladstein

        "This fellow has a high score because of the affirmative action", "That fellow has a high score because this is a fellow-owned bank and they control the world" etc. no way the state has enough trust capital to have the citizenry rely on it, it will have to be through coercion

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      9. Patri Friedman‏ @patrissimo Oct 30
        Replying to @0x6c6f6d @gladstein

        If an Uber driver sees your score and not your picture...seems like that works. I think people's stereotypes (racist for example) are mild, and cause harm in aggregate. But because they are mild, they are easy to override with data.

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      2. Unrelated Nonsense‏ @Nonrelatedsense Oct 29
        Replying to @patrissimo

        private social credit systems & public ones aught to be viewed differently, no?

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      3. Patri Friedman‏ @patrissimo Oct 29
        Replying to @Nonrelatedsense

        Yes, but they don't differ in their ability to reduce discrimination based on false stereotypes, by offering data to replace our racist heuristic intuition.

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      4. Unrelated Nonsense‏ @Nonrelatedsense Oct 29
        Replying to @patrissimo

        the differ a lot in the likelihood they will be abused.

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      5. Patri Friedman‏ @patrissimo Oct 29
        Replying to @Nonrelatedsense

        I certainly agree that Exit matters.

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      2. Uncommon Sense‏ @_UncommonSensei Oct 30
        Replying to @patrissimo

        Yeah on the surface it seems like a great idea until you imagine a world where the wrong people are in charge (like now)

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      3. Patri Friedman‏ @patrissimo Oct 30
        Replying to @_UncommonSensei

        I don't think I've ever seen a (political) world where the right people were in charge.

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      4. Uncommon Sense‏ @_UncommonSensei Oct 30
        Replying to @patrissimo

        Any system that counts on the right people in charge to work is usually doomed to fail

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      2. Vitalik Non-giver of Ether‏Verified account @VitalikButerin Oct 29
        Replying to @patrissimo

        Baizuo? Baizhou is congee.

        7 replies 1 retweet 30 likes
      3. cryptoskillz‏ @crypto_skillz Oct 29
        Replying to @VitalikButerin @patrissimo

        but what's a congee that is the real question?

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      4. Dominator008‏ @Dominator0081 Oct 30
        Replying to @crypto_skillz @VitalikButerin @patrissimo

        Congee is a form of #stablecoin during economic crisis in Ancient China!

        0 replies 0 retweets 4 likes
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      1. cryptoskillz‏ @crypto_skillz Oct 29
        Replying to @patrissimo

        Arghhh I have gone and done it again. Damn my first world whiteness damn it straight to hell.

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      1. Andrew "Not a Fed" Glidden‏ @asglidden Oct 29
        Replying to @patrissimo

        I think this is going to depend on the ends to which they're deployed. In ruthless pursuit of profit, they tend to strip away all irrelevant characteristics like race. In pursuit of power, they strip away anything that isn't blind obedience.

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