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On virtue, venture, family, freedom, crypto and (of course) building startup countries on the ocean.

San Jose, CA
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    1. Patri Friedman‏ @patrissimo Sep 18
      Replying to @nitashatiku @glenweyl

      Translation "The person whose ideas seem to most support my ideals, and whose intellectual victory would indicate that my tribe has won."

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    2. (((E. Glen Weyl)))‏ @glenweyl Sep 19
      Replying to @patrissimo @nitashatiku

      Actually, if you look at my writing, I generally defended the big platforms before reading Jaron's work and didn't think at all about the data labor issues. So yes, we now agree, but because he persuaded me on this and many other issues, like UBI

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    3. Patri Friedman‏ @patrissimo Sep 19
      Replying to @glenweyl @nitashatiku

      If he persuaded you on many issues, it is even less surprising or objective for him to laud you as a future genius. (I am not meaning to criticize your work w/ this perspective, it sounds fresh & interesting. My criticism is for the hollow accolade).

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    4. (((E. Glen Weyl)))‏ @glenweyl Sep 19
      Replying to @patrissimo @nitashatiku

      Sorry, so you are saying you should never be influenced by someone you think is brilliant? Anyone who accepts relativity shouldn't praise Einstein? All those relativity haters are the only credible sources?

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    5. Patri Friedman‏ @patrissimo Sep 19
      Replying to @glenweyl @nitashatiku

      More generally, my problem is with someone like Jaron making an objective-sounding endorsement of scientific quality, that is actually a signal of affiliation and a hope that his values triumph. You should seek praise for your ideas' merit, not their apparent politics.

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    6. (((E. Glen Weyl)))‏ @glenweyl Sep 19
      Replying to @patrissimo @nitashatiku

      But you just said that in economics there is no distinction

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    7. Patri Friedman‏ @patrissimo Sep 19
      Replying to @glenweyl @nitashatiku

      Sigh. I said economics is less rigorous & more politicized than general relativity. That is not equivalent to saying economics has NO distinction between merit and politics. A clear mind would never make that foolish leap, so look to your memetic defenses - they've been breached.

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    8. (((E. Glen Weyl)))‏ @glenweyl Sep 19
      Replying to @patrissimo @nitashatiku

      I am just confused by the nature of the argument you are making. How is it illegitimate for me to think Jaron is brilliant and have been persuaded by his brilliance to agree with him on something? How could it be otherwise?

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    9. Patri Friedman‏ @patrissimo Sep 19
      Replying to @glenweyl @nitashatiku

      Put another way, if he were forced to bet half his net worth on a prediction market on the probability that "Glen Weyl is the person whose ideas will shape the next 25 years", I think he would give it < 5% probability (perhaps < 1%). It's his hope, not his belief.

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    10. (((E. Glen Weyl)))‏ @glenweyl Sep 19
      Replying to @patrissimo @nitashatiku

      That seems fair. I don't think it was framed to them in that way. It was framed to them as their favorite person or something like this.

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      Patri Friedman‏ @patrissimo Sep 19
      Replying to @glenweyl @nitashatiku

      Ok, then perhaps it was just a poor phrasing of the question or the summary, then. My reaction was entirely to a pundit (Jaron) making a claim that sounds like a prediction. One's favorite people are of course the ones that one hopes will triumph.

      3:15 PM - 19 Sep 2018 from San Jose, CA
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        1. (((E. Glen Weyl)))‏ @glenweyl Sep 19
          Replying to @patrissimo @nitashatiku

          I get it. Yeah I am pretty sure that is not how it was ever framed to them. But Wired is all about treating hopes as predictions.

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