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Patri Friedman

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On virtue, venture, family, freedom, crypto and (of course) building startup countries on the ocean.

San Jose, CA
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    Patri Friedman‏ @patrissimo Sep 13

    Patri Friedman Retweeted ℭ𝔥𝔞𝔫𝔱𝔦𝔠𝔩𝔢𝔢𝔯

    Those who wouldn't make the trade are declaring their ineligibility to participate in humanity's future. Sad but ok, there will be def be enough of us left to run the place. (But if you don't get along well with Mormons, give up now).https://twitter.com/aChanticleer/status/1040323426513285120 …

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    ℭ𝔥𝔞𝔫𝔱𝔦𝔠𝔩𝔢𝔢𝔯 @aChanticleer
    they want a monopoly on infantilizing men and women fight back. have kids. pic.twitter.com/oa1VJjnXku
    4:32 PM - 13 Sep 2018
    • 19 Retweets
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    • Zach Graves 🤖🚀 罗臻 Count Michael von Hartl 🧛‍♂️ The Sovereign Family Robert Mariani (((Deplorable))) Kirk_Hinrich_12 ℭ𝔥𝔞𝔫𝔱𝔦𝔠𝔩𝔢𝔢𝔯 BMac
    14 replies 19 retweets 96 likes
      1. New conversation
      2. praxisrespecter‏ @praxisrespecter Sep 13
        Replying to @patrissimo

        Humanity spreads itself through genes and memes. For most people it's only the former, for some the latter, for a few it's both. Do you think Peter Thiel isn't shaping the future because he has no children?

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      3. Patri Friedman‏ @patrissimo Sep 14
        Replying to @praxisrespecter

        Since copying ideas is much cheaper than copying people; memes are much more of a winner-take-all market, hence vastly higher risk. A few people have huge impact through memes, but that doesn't make it a smart strategy a priori. Like playing the lottery.

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      4. praxisrespecter‏ @praxisrespecter Sep 14
        Replying to @patrissimo

        Species-wide penetration is low-odds, sure, but most memes propagate themselves locally as well. A cat-lady teacher took me in when I had to leave home. As an adult, I'm happy, healthy, wealthy, and it's her funeral I'll be attending, not my old man's. Is it her legacy or his?

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      5. Patri Friedman‏ @patrissimo Sep 14
        Replying to @praxisrespecter

        Her memes, his genes. A great demonstration of how parenting passes on both. Hence having kids is not choosing genes over memes, but choosing genes + local memes. Some meme categories (science) are mainly transmitted globally, but some (ethics, values) are primarily local.

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      6. praxisrespecter‏ @praxisrespecter Sep 14
        Replying to @patrissimo

        Most definitely! But you're admitting that she has indeed shaped the future, a thing you previously claimed impossible without biological offspring.

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      7. Patri Friedman‏ @patrissimo Sep 14
        Replying to @praxisrespecter

        Totally agreed - I traded nuance for accuracy. Parents get to pass on genes & (subset of parent-child transmitted) memes. Non-parents get to pass on (locally transmitted + globally transmitted) memes. This is almost always less, but in extraordinary cases it's much much more.

        0 replies 0 retweets 1 like
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      2. Naval‏ @naval Sep 13
        Replying to @patrissimo

        Cross-generational IQ test.

        3 replies 0 retweets 32 likes
      3. Susan Groff‏ @SusanGroff1 Sep 13
        Replying to @naval @patrissimo

        The ad is aimed at those who want to *delay* parenthood not forgo it.

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      4. Patri Friedman‏ @patrissimo Sep 13
        Replying to @SusanGroff1 @naval

        To delay parenthood is to probabilistically forgo it.

        2 replies 0 retweets 12 likes
      5. Susan Groff‏ @SusanGroff1 Sep 13
        Replying to @patrissimo @naval

        There is window of opportunity. Teens might improve their chances of escaping poverty if they delay parenthood until 25. A 30 year old might delay and miss the boat.

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
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      2. corey cantu‏ @Can2CG Sep 13
        Replying to @patrissimo

        Why is it that parents act as if they consciously made the decision to have children based solely on altruistic motives?

        1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
      3. Patri Friedman‏ @patrissimo Sep 13
        Replying to @Can2CG

        People often find joy and purpose in helping produce a better future. You can say that's not altruistic, because they enjoy it. But enjoying contribution to the common good is what powers most "altruism". That's a good thing.

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      4. corey cantu‏ @Can2CG Sep 13
        Replying to @patrissimo

        Not that it's not altruistic because they enjoy it. More of a criticism of the idea that people make that choice based on the hope for humanity's future. Maybe a few, but by in large it's a personal decision. The hope for the world, which everyone has, grows stronger afterward.

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      5. End of conversation
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      2. Fraga de Vasconcelos‏ @FragadoVasco Sep 13
        Replying to @patrissimo @AJA_Cortes

        Do Mormons even fight?

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      3. Patri Friedman‏ @patrissimo Sep 13
        Replying to @FragadoVasco @AJA_Cortes

        They fight the most fundamental battle of all living creatures: to influence the future by surviving and reproducing. And they fight it damn well.

        1 reply 0 retweets 5 likes
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      2. Lunacy Now‏ @LunacyNow Sep 14
        Replying to @patrissimo

        Anyone who thinks lipstick and high heels have no part in a flourishing post kids marriage is a delusional Puritan who shouldn’t be getting married anyway.

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      3. Mimetïc Value‏ @MimeticValue Sep 14
        Replying to @LunacyNow @patrissimo

        I think this is nitpicking. She should still have heels left over from previously. The pacifier is only for infants, not for when the kids are a bit older. So the message is just giving up luxuries for a year when kids are very young.

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      4. Lunacy Now‏ @LunacyNow Sep 14
        Replying to @MimeticValue @patrissimo

        I dunno I feel like the message is “kids ruin your life and make things boring, wear a condom.”

        1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
      5. Mimetïc Value‏ @MimeticValue Sep 14
        Replying to @LunacyNow @patrissimo

        I'm reading it as give up luxuries temporarily to take responsibility for your infant.

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      6. Lunacy Now‏ @LunacyNow Sep 14
        Replying to @MimeticValue @patrissimo

        Ok. Well obviously you do have to do that to have kids. And men should give up video games anyway, at least as a regular habit.

        0 replies 0 retweets 1 like
      7. End of conversation

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