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    1. Patri Friedman‏ @patrissimo Aug 20

      What about Futarchy, but to replace elections rather than legislation? Ie select govt officials by using prediction markets on their performance. Ideally using objective metrics, but as a fallback just bet on ex post voter satisfaction. @robinhanson

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    2. Steuard Jensen‏ @steuard Aug 20
      Replying to @patrissimo @robinhanson

      Correct me if I've misunderstood, but doesn't any market-based system for elections reduce to "the rich can select the candidates of their choice"? Folks with food insecurity won't participate at all, while the rich can treat it as an expense, not a wager.

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    3. Patri Friedman‏ @patrissimo Aug 20
      Replying to @steuard @robinhanson

      I think you misunderstand the mechanism. These are prediction markets. So people are betting on, say, what will the income of bottom decile be if we appoint A vs B vs C. Then we pick whoever is predicted to maximize income of bottom decile. Prediction markets have the property...

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    4. Patri Friedman‏ @patrissimo Aug 20
      Replying to @patrissimo @steuard @robinhanson

      ..that attempts to manipulate them makes them stronger. The more money is fed in by rich people trying to force a selection by making false bets (ie betting that A will increase income for poor by $6,000/yr when really it will be $2,000/yr), the more quants earn by fixing.

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    5. Steuard Jensen‏ @steuard Aug 21
      Replying to @patrissimo @robinhanson

      Sure, but what if Candidate B includes as part of their platform "I'll cut taxes on prediction markets"? A quant's rational self-interest may not focus *solely* on the outcome of a particular bet.

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    6. Steuard Jensen‏ @steuard Aug 21
      Replying to @steuard @patrissimo @robinhanson

      Also, maybe this is a solved question somehow, but I don't see how you'd *resolve* a bet like the one you described. How do you determine which candidate's plan actually maximizes income for the poor so you know which bet pays out?

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    7. Steuard Jensen‏ @steuard Aug 21
      Replying to @steuard @patrissimo @robinhanson

      Also also, a great deal of choosing between candidates today involves not just "whose policies will optimize criterion X?" but also "which is a higher priority, criterion X or criterion Y?" Setting up a market like you describe requires prior agreement on the criteria.

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      Patri Friedman‏ @patrissimo Aug 21
      Replying to @steuard @robinhanson

      As Robin's original paper put it "Vote on values, bet on beliefs". Futarchy is proposed as a way to maximize a scoring function, it makes no claims to establish that scoring function. I still think good optimization towards iffy criteria would be >> than what we do today.

      11:12 AM - 21 Aug 2018 from San Jose, CA
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