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    1. DHH‏Verified account @dhh Feb 17
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      Key objection I've heard to GDPR is "but what if companies would like to continue to violate our privacy with blatant disregard for the law or with only do performative compliance through annoying popups???". Yeah, what do we do with such lawbreaking? TOTALLY MYSTERY.

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    2. Tobi Lutke  🌳 🌲 🛒 🕹‏Verified account @tobi Feb 17
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      We are big fans of GDPR and have been pushing in Canada for something similar. It’s well drafted. The one legitimate complain is that it helps big guys because (for example) all of google needs just a single consent which they can collect as a gate in front of search.

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    3. Tobi Lutke  🌳 🌲 🛒 🕹‏Verified account @tobi Feb 17
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      So it once again unintentionally creates a tax on being small. It would have been good if the law would have required consent on a per product basis, not per company basis.

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    4. DHH‏Verified account @dhh Feb 17
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      I don't see that recognized in my reading of the law. The consent has to be SPECIFIED, explicit, and legitimate. Google can't ask for consent on search and then reuse that consent for Youtube. That would clearly be a violation.

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    5. Tobi Lutke  🌳 🌲 🛒 🕹‏Verified account @tobi Feb 17
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      Right but think of how much is behind http://google.com  (maps, flights, mail, ...) and that’s the domain that serves all ads.

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    6. Tobi Lutke  🌳 🌲 🛒 🕹‏Verified account @tobi Feb 17
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      Point is that google can launch flight search with zero popup gate but startup that’s innovating in this space (we need a new hipmunk) can’t.

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    7. DHH‏Verified account @dhh Feb 17
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      Yeah, not only is that contravening the spirit of GDPR, but it's also a great argument for general monopoly enforcement. When you use your monopoly in one area (search) to advantage another (flight booking), you're right in the danger zone.

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    8. Tobi Lutke  🌳 🌲 🛒 🕹‏Verified account @tobi Feb 17
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      It is pretty structural though. Think Amazon (once ever) vs independent online stores here (every individual one). GDPR is once again really good and seems to agree that add-to-cart is consent for cookies related to the cart (only).

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    9. DHH‏Verified account @dhh Feb 17
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      It's totally structural! Which is why privacy and monopoly enforcement goes hand in hand. We need the likes of @vestager to approach enforcement in a joint perspective. Which, to be fair, the recent injunction against Facebook Dating was one good example of!

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      Patrick Collison‏Verified account @patrickc Feb 17
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      Survey data seems to suggest that EU internet users don't feel more control over their data than they did in 2015[0]. So it's not obvious to me that GDPR successfully solves the harms it was designed to address[1]. [0] …https://privacyblogfullservice.huntonwilliamsblogs.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/28/2019/06/ebs487a_en.pdf … [1] http://register.consilium.europa.eu/doc/srv?l=EN&f=ST%205853%202012%20INIT …

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        2. DHH‏Verified account @dhh Feb 17
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          Because companies are largely in violation of the law. The wheels of justice turn slowly – especially when it comes to reining in big business – but they eventually do start turning. Here's a great case from Denmark on enforcement.https://politiken.dk/viden/Tech/art7657203/DMI-får-alvorlig-kritik-i-banebrydende-afgørelse?shareToken=zh-HZiAAK9BA …

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        3. Tobi Lutke  🌳 🌲 🛒 🕹‏Verified account @tobi Feb 17
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          I think the biggest problem with GDPR is that it pushed compliance to the edge. I wish it would have just forced the browsers to run incognito mode without cookies until consent has been given through build in mechanism.

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        2. Patrick Collison‏Verified account @patrickc Feb 17
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          This recent paper also relevant to GDPR assessment: https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3522845 …pic.twitter.com/9hBrNzHeTY

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        3. DHH‏Verified account @dhh Feb 17
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          Yeah, that's great fodder to the fact that we are scarcely done here. The evils of surveillance capitalism are entrenched. GDPR started treatment, and for that deserves immense gratitude, but we are nowhere near done.

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        2. José Luis Ricón Fernández de la Puente‏ @ArtirKel Feb 17
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          Indeed. The correct take is @tylercowen 's : People don't really care (And I think this is fine; I don't care either) about the sort of data privacy issues that the GDPR wanted to address.

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        3. Eirini Malliaraki‏ @irinimalliaraki Feb 17
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          On the analogy: Many smokers didn't care about their health either but this is not an argument against the smoking ban. On gdpr> It's a matter of information (hence power) asymmetry

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        1. Thomas Hollands‏ @tdoggyholhol Feb 17
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          cc: @michaeljelly the comments in this thread are relevant to ethi

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        1. Dominique PERETTI‏ @dperetti Feb 17
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          They were successful in ruining the web experience though.

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        1. Sotiris  🔆 #Ai #Remote  🇬🇷 🇪🇺 🇺🇸 #R_e_c_o_v_e_r‏ @skaragiannis Feb 17
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          I’m pretty much in more control than I was before It’s just a bit more frustrating to cut those annoying ad behaviors off. Give me a tool to massively and easily deny those shitty consent boxes out there and you’ll see how many cookies I eat :D

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