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    1. Sarah Mei‏Verified account @sarahmei Sep 14
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      Sarah Mei Retweeted Liz Fong-Jones (方禮真)

      The more I think about this, the more important it seems. JUSTICE, not FREEDOM, is what I want from software. Freedom could be a means, but is not the end.https://twitter.com/lizthegrey/status/1172926347603259392 …

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      Liz Fong-Jones (方禮真)Verified account @lizthegrey
      No, because "freedom" isn't the right goal in and of itself, justice is. How does "Free" software to help ICE, perform drone strikes, assist in ethnic cleansing, etc. make the world free, never mind just? https://twitter.com/maybekatz/status/1172630847544950784 …
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    2. Patrick Durusau  ⏳‏ @patrickDurusau Sep 14
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      Replying to @sarahmei

      When you have time, can you say more about how "justice" can originate from software? I see use of software being just/unjust but not software qua software. Thanks!

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    3. Sage Sharp‏ @_sagesharp_ Sep 14
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      Replying to @patrickDurusau @sarahmei

      Who decides what software features take priority? Which marginalized groups are being left behind when we choose to deprioritize anti-harassment festures, accessibility, translation, and usability for "pure technical features"? All technical decisions are political decisions.

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      Patrick Durusau  ⏳‏ @patrickDurusau Sep 15
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      Replying to @_sagesharp_ @sarahmei

      There's no such thing as a free software feature. Yes to all technical decisions being political decisions, but who has a right to impose costs on others? Gov.s do now, think privacy, but gov.s have a poor record representing the marginalized.

      11:13 AM - 15 Sep 2019
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        2. Sage Sharp‏ @_sagesharp_ Sep 15
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          Replying to @patrickDurusau @sarahmei

          I'm a bit confused by your first sentence. What I think you mean is that free software developers don't have a plan or roadmap of features. Is that correct?

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        3. Patrick Durusau  ⏳‏ @patrickDurusau Sep 15
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          Replying to @_sagesharp_ @sarahmei

          My bad! Developers have plan/roadmap but features in the plan or added, have a cost. My Q was who gets to impose the requirement for a feature and its cost?

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        4. Sage Sharp‏ @_sagesharp_ Sep 15
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          Replying to @patrickDurusau

          I think it's interesting that you use the word "impose" when talking about adding features that marginalized groups in tech need. What exactly do you mean by impose?

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        5. Patrick Durusau  ⏳‏ @patrickDurusau Sep 16
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          Replying to @_sagesharp_

          If not impose, require, mandate, to capture the idea of external to developers agency. One that does not bear the cost of development. Developers are free to agree to any feature. Curious about non-agreement cases.

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        6. Sage Sharp‏ @_sagesharp_ Sep 16
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          It's just interesting to see that you assume free software developers aren't people from marginalized groups. That the needs of free software developers defer from marginalized groups, and that marginalized groups are "imposing" their needs and that cost on free software devs.

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        7. Sage Sharp‏ @_sagesharp_ Sep 16
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          Replying to @_sagesharp_ @patrickDurusau

          What your statements are doing is essentially creating an "in group" and an "out group". One group has power in free software, and the other is advocating for things people in power don't need. People from marginalized groups are "imposing" on a more privileged group.

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        8. Sage Sharp‏ @_sagesharp_ Sep 16
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          Replying to @_sagesharp_ @patrickDurusau

          There are several assumptions there. 1) That people from marginalized groups cannot rise to power in free software, and 2) that leaders in free software see meeting marginalized groups needs as an imposition. Neither of those assumptions are true. I suggest you examine your bias.

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        9. Patrick Durusau  ⏳‏ @patrickDurusau Sep 16
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          Replying to @_sagesharp_

          I'll have to do that but your earlier statements reflect the same bias with no prompting from me. BTW, there is more software than open source, where marginalized groups don't fare so well.

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