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I work for the Internet, at @stripe, mostly on accelerating startups. Opinions here are my own.

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    1. Patrick McKenzie‏ @patio11 25 Feb 2018
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      Minor heresy: "Because that's where the money is" is a perfectly valid reason to study programming or seek a job in software. We're capitalists, right? That's how the market signals "Hey, pardon me, hate to interrupt y'all while you're doings you like, but I NEED WEB APPS."

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    2. Patrick McKenzie‏ @patio11 25 Feb 2018
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      No judgement if programming really pushes your buttons. It pushes my buttons, too! But the number of people whose buttons are pushed enough to forsake other careers is radically inadequate to staff the number of software companies the world needs.

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      Patrick McKenzie‏ @patio11 25 Feb 2018
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      Also hate to be Marxist before my morning coffee but the "You should be *passionate* about this stuff" memeplex is designed to decrease your wages. "I want missionaries not mercenaries" is a cynical negotiating strategy; they'd never try it with someone they thought a peer.

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        2. Nathaniel Eliot‏ @temujin9 25 Feb 2018
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          Mercs do honest work for predictable wages, and don't get distracted by holy wars. Seems preferable to missionaries, if you ask me.

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        3. CarrickDB‏ @carrickdb 25 Feb 2018
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          Also, passion is mercurial. Just ask all the people who are “passionate” about writing yet never seem to get around to doing it.

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        2. 𝔞𝔫𝔡𝔶𝔣𝔞𝔠𝔢  🏝 🏕‏ @_andyface 25 Feb 2018
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          As someone who doesn’t feel particularly passionate about my work, today I worked an extra 8 hours because I was asked if I could, I felt like it and I knew I’d get paid a day and a halfs rate. I feel the company may appreciate that more than me being passionate about it.

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        3. 𝔞𝔫𝔡𝔶𝔣𝔞𝔠𝔢  🏝 🏕‏ @_andyface 25 Feb 2018
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          I guess they’d probably have preferred someone who was happy to do that just for the joy of coding, but failing that someone who responds to money and the ability to decide for themselves what they do is still pretty good 😄

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        2. Michael Buckbee‏ @mbuckbee 25 Feb 2018
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          My last job interview asked if I was passionate about their enterprise software niche. I said no, but that I was passionate about doing the work / the craft and that I felt great about the app really helping people. There’s a middle ground here.

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        3. Michael Buckbee‏ @mbuckbee 25 Feb 2018
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          Becoming reasonably proficient in a profession requires some level of interest beyond the base course work. Many non dev jobs have this baked in in the form of continuing education, certification, journal clubs, etc.

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        2. eschneider‏ @eschneider 25 Feb 2018
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          I'm passionate about programming, but there are lots of things I can work on. If folks want me to apply my passion to solving their problems, money is a good way to do that. It's a nice way to "align our interests."

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        3. Antti K. Koskela #WFH‏ @koskila 25 Feb 2018
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          That's a great way to put it!

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        2. Matt Beland‏ @beland_matt 25 Feb 2018
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          Sounds like a conspiracy theory to me... "The Marxists are out to get you! Hide your money!" As someone who's hired lots of people in lots of roles, I pay more for passion and self-motivation. I rarely reward self-interested "I've decided I'm critical, pay me more".

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        3. Matt Beland‏ @beland_matt 25 Feb 2018
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          And I never hire peers. I'm much better off looking for people smarter than I am, more focused than I am, more capable than I am. You're not speaking of capitalism. The label you're looking for is "cynicism". Has its appeal, to be sure, but it's rarely a good philosophy.

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