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I work for the Internet, at @stripe, mostly on accelerating startups. Opinions here are my own.

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    Patrick McKenzie‏ @patio11 3 Feb 2018
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    Patrick McKenzie Retweeted Stephanie Hurlburt

    I can comprehend the incentive structure where line engineers have absolutely no skin in the games on interviews and therefore treat them as opportunities to extract an ego boost. I can not comprehend a written how-to-interview policy that does not warn about this.https://twitter.com/sehurlburt/status/959921174825201666 …

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    Stephanie Hurlburt @sehurlburt
    I just want to tell all the interviewers who pride themselves on giving “intense” interviews— if a candidate, especially if junior, walks away from your interview feeling stupid and bad about themselves... I hear about it & no longer refer people to your team & I am judging you.
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      2. Patrick McKenzie‏ @patio11 3 Feb 2018
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        Ideally, even unsuccessful candidates come away from first contact with your firm saying a) they are working on interesting things b) their people are wonderful c) anyone would want to work there d) so I should tell my friends

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      3. Patrick McKenzie‏ @patio11 3 Feb 2018
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        How many engineers do you thing an engineer talks to in a year? I think conservatively a hundred. What do you want them to say about you?

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      4. Patrick McKenzie‏ @patio11 3 Feb 2018
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        Concrete proposal: do you run a postmortem of unsuccessful interviews *with the candidate*? Because that’s what you’d do if you were serious about solving a process issue.

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      5. Patrick McKenzie‏ @patio11 3 Feb 2018
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        “I was in a bad state; had hardly slept.” “Pre-interview jitters?” “That and you booked me to arrive at 2 AM so I checked in at 3:30 for a 9 AM interview loop.” “We what.” “Didn’t want to mention it since I thought it would sound ungreatful.”

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      1. Patrick McKenzie‏ @patio11 4 Feb 2018
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        Replying to @djipko_ns

        I mean for each candidate. It feels easily achievable for me; probably 10+ people at work, 5~10 in friend group, and then any regular activity in the industry outside of their office (meetup / conference attendance / etc) immediately blows the number up.

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      1. philtor‏ @philtor 3 Feb 2018
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        Replying to @RuinTaughtMe @patio11 @sehurlburt

        Which is exactly how interviewees feel.

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      1. Carl Bateman‏ @CarlBateman 4 Feb 2018
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        Replying to @patio11 @sehurlburt

        Reading this thread makes me sadly realise that I've had so many bad/hostile interviews I wouldn't recognise a good one if it kicked me in the backside.

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      1. Aaron Levin‏ @aaronmblevin 4 Feb 2018
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        What do you mean? There’s no reason you couldn’t additionally ask for feedback about the process itself. However, this is already pretty common on my experience.

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      1. wehavenocoins‏ @wehavenocoins 4 Feb 2018
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        The entire process is broken, this seems especially the case in work like mine data science and machine learning. The questions and technical eval are irrelevant. This may be a process where humans should be removed; interviewing is a skill which most engineers don’t have.

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      2. John Westra #VR #AR #Innovation‏ @John_Westra 3 Feb 2018
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        Replying to @patio11 @sehurlburt

        Most Engineers are insensitive, unsocialized, juvenile #AssHats who should be kept as far from the Interview Process as they are from customers... not to mention the Interns! Who raises these Neanderthals anyway!?

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      3. Ian Tyrrell‏ @RodeoClownII 3 Feb 2018
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        Replying to @John_Westra @patio11 @sehurlburt

        Not sure how many engineers you've worked with, but over the last 15 years I can count the number of engineers like you've described on one hand (with plenty of fingers to spare).

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