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I work for the Internet, at @stripe, mostly on accelerating startups. Opinions here are my own.

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    Patrick McKenzie‏ @patio11 29 Apr 2015
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    Employees perceive that they're negotiating new salary with a person, but they're actually negotiating with a plan.

    10:24 AM - 29 Apr 2015
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    • Fredrik Jäfvert Jay 🍒 Chris Allen🇻🇦(Καλό Πάσχα!) Peadar Coyle Cosmin Stejerean Vaibhav Mallya paul shinn λvinash D'Souza Noah Gibbs
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      2. Patrick McKenzie‏ @patio11 29 Apr 2015
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        "How will they feel if I ask for more?" As nonsensical as asking how a LRU cache feels. It's a business rule, nothing more.

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      3. Patrick McKenzie‏ @patio11 29 Apr 2015
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        Note that this plan can lie about being a plan. That's an explicit element of the plan.

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      1. Patrick McKenzie‏ @patio11 29 Apr 2015
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        @kaisdavis @shawndrost @noahlt Similar to consultants in that regard. Value value value *announce rate* value value administrivia.

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      2. Benjamin Stockwell‏ @benjamin_ashley 29 Apr 2015
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        @kaisdavis @tqbf @patio11 but then think twice about working for somebody who wanted to lowball you that way.

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        @benjamin_ashley @kaisdavis @tqbf That can happen without malice, for example if you fail to communicate true value and are bucketed wrongly

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      2. Ruben Gamez‏ @earthlingworks 29 Apr 2015
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        @kaisdavis @patio11 @brookr When I was a dev mgr hiring many devs (over several years), only one person negotiated. So much $ left on table

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      3. Liz Marley‏ @emarley 29 Apr 2015
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        @earthlingworks @brookr @kaisdavis @patio11 You chose to pay people less than their tech skills merited, because they avoided conflict.

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      2. Noah Tye‏ @noahlt 29 Apr 2015
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        @kaisdavis @patio11 I would love to read this email.

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      3. shawndrost‏ @shawndrost 29 Apr 2015
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        @noahlt @kaisdavis @patio11 Can be as simple as "can you do [x+15]"

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      1. Liz Marley‏ @emarley 29 Apr 2015
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        @kaisdavis Line between negotiation & conflict is not in the same place for men and women. Requiring negotiation to get fair pay is sexist.

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