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I work for the Internet, at @stripe, mostly on accelerating startups. Opinions here are my own.

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    1. Patrick McKenzie‏ @patio11 May 10
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      I think we’re excessively surprised as to what happens if you e.g. read literally every book in the library on WWII. Intuitively, we know what is likely to happen. We discount the possibility of it happening for a 10 year old to protect our understanding of the status of adults.https://twitter.com/Halsrethink/status/1259694101865418752 …

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      Harald Malmgren @Halsrethink
      I have found in powerful minds a common experience of curiosity unleashed between ages 10&13 years old that resulted in a surprising mastery of what is known on relatively narrow subjects (e.g.nuclear energy;great wars;animal genetics). Maybe read Kissinger on WH yrs. https://twitter.com/Neildiamondphil/status/1259603242604003328 …
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    2. Patrick McKenzie‏ @patio11 May 10
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      One level out from “I totally believe a bright 10 year old could memorize literally every capital ship in the Imperial Japanese navy by outline; that would be an unexceptional level of expertise or dedication to bring to Minecraft”, what does this suggest about nudges to make?

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    3. Patrick McKenzie‏ @patio11 May 10
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      Because I think one level out from “Some ten year olds can have graduate student levels of understanding of raw historical facts, but we can’t acknowledge that” is probably “Some ten year olds can be about as productive as graduate students at e.g. programming X models, but...”

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    4. Patrick McKenzie‏ @patio11 May 10
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      And while I know there is a strong undercurrent of “Lets let kids be kids! Crickey the endless competition is value destroying!”, I don’t think it is a bad thing for society if we present children the choice of “Say as you do your voyage of self discovery have you considered...”

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      Patrick McKenzie‏ @patio11 May 10
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      “... that for the effort you’re about to spend on League of Legends you could, and I’m going to just throw this possibility out there, create something that society values in the hundreds of thousands of dollar range. Just a thought; part-time job at McDonalds also an option.”

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        1. Patrick McKenzie‏ @patio11 May 10
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          “That sounds like a ludicrous hypothetical.” I literally know high school students who sold mid $X0k of e-books which were not obviously different in artifact character than a well-executed school project, and I think I have a really well-calibrated understanding of SaaS math.

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        2. Deena Bevis Garzik‏ @DeenaGarzik May 10
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          I think that's part of it though - video games aren't an effort. They are a passion, they don't feel like work. And the 10 year old memorizing the ships doesn't feel like doing that is work either. Nor does the kid programming for fun. But if feels like work... the magic is gone.

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        3. Patrick McKenzie‏ @patio11 May 10
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          Replying to @DeenaGarzik

          League of Legends and selling software over the Internet pushed a lot of the same buttons for me, and I think we can likely self-modify with respect to what we find fun or effortless (or conversely, what we find grindy).

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        1. Ronen▼.gif‏ @RonenV May 10
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          for such children, most of our relationship with the adult world tended to be them actively stopping us from doing so

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        1. Supremacy of Pure Feeling‏ @GoblinGame May 10
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          So Greta did exactly this. US society was very unhappy about it and blatantly attacking her asking her to be a kid instead

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        1. tommy boy‏ @tomkarlo May 10
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          Some of us converted the effort we spent on the 90s equivalent of League into careers netting much more. :)

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        1. Nolan  🚀 👉 ❤ :/  ⛄!‏ @sneakin May 11
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          Wish my parents understood that. Eventually you learn to stop listening. 🤷

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        2. (((Rachel Blum)))‏ @groby May 11
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          That, right there, is where you go off the rails. By all means, encourage kids to pursue exploration and creation instead of consumption. But don't tie it to money and the completely broken values associated with it. And especially don't coerce them by threatening their future.

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        3. (((Rachel Blum)))‏ @groby May 11
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          But even if you discard the moral argument, it's dishonest. Because frankly, playing video games doesn't mean you'll end up with a part-time job at McDonalds. Neither does studying international affairs (or computer science, for that matter) guarantee a high-paying future.

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        1. NearCyan‏ @Nearcyan May 11
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          Any ideas on ways we can do a better job to convince more smart people, at a large scale, to try more content creation, whether it is an ebook, company, SaaS, creative work of art, etc? I see many with *amazing* potential in these areas only consume video games for decades on end

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