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I work for the Internet, at @stripe, mostly on accelerating startups. Opinions here are my own.

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    1. Patrick McKenzie‏ @patio11 Apr 28
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      Inspired by a thread on HN incredulous about engineering headcount at a large software company: The biggest thing people don’t appreciate about large companies is the basic productive unit isn’t an individual it is an engineering team with about ~8 members.

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    2. Patrick McKenzie‏ @patio11 Apr 28
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      You need a team, and not an individual, because you need to be able to: * give vacation * rotate a pager * mentor junior engineers * do professional development * interface with other teams * maintain existing systems * do speculative development * pay the “organizational tax”

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    3. Patrick McKenzie‏ @patio11 Apr 28
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      And you need one engineering team for everything you do. So if you do a lot of things, well, there you go. Some orgs have smaller scopes for a team. Some have larger. But if your business requires you to interface with mobile carriers in Southeast Asia, well, who owns that?

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      Patrick McKenzie‏ @patio11 Apr 28
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      Incidentally, you can trivially estimate the cost of an engineering team at single digit million dollars. There exist some services whose value prop is “If you use this, save yourself one engineering team or even an engineering sub org.” They’re all underpriced.

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        2. ShriramKrishnamurthi‏ @ShriramKMurthi Apr 29
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          What are some of those services?

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        3. Heidi, The Sticker Thoughtleader‏ @wiredferret Apr 29
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          Replying to @ShriramKMurthi @patio11

          - Stripe, for one - @honeycombio/@LightStepHQ (observability) - @Dynatrace/@AppDynamics (interactions+flow) - @circleci/@buildkite/@codefresh (build+deploy) - @salesforce - @LaunchDarkly (I’m biased) - @awscloud - @clubhouse

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        2. Aaron Daub‏ @aaron_daub Apr 29
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          Napkin math: 1 EM - $350k-$750k total comp 1-2 senior engineers - $350k-$750k total comp 2-3 midlevel engineers - $200k-$400k total comp 2-3 junior engineers - $150k-$250k total comp Low end estimate of team TC: ~$1.2M. Without including design or product.

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        3. @‏ @CodeDork Apr 29
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          Where is this napkin??

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        2. Francisco Presencia‏ @FPresencia Apr 29
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          This is pure gold advice, thanks! How do you find out these teams and convince management they need your service? e.g. I made https://documentation.agency/  a while back but wasn't sure how to continue. Even when consistently #1 devs pain point is bad documentation.

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        3. Francisco Presencia‏ @FPresencia Apr 29
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          Incidentally, I attribute my open source success to writing decent documentation, and it was greatly inspired by @stripe's docs!

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        1. Jason Peterson‏ @DefinitelyJason Apr 29
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          When do you decide to add to an engineering team or add a whole new team?

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