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I work for the Internet, at @stripe, mostly on accelerating startups. Opinions here are my own.

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    1. Patrick McKenzie‏ @patio11 Apr 28
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      Inspired by a thread on HN incredulous about engineering headcount at a large software company: The biggest thing people don’t appreciate about large companies is the basic productive unit isn’t an individual it is an engineering team with about ~8 members.

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      Patrick McKenzie‏ @patio11 Apr 28
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      You need a team, and not an individual, because you need to be able to: * give vacation * rotate a pager * mentor junior engineers * do professional development * interface with other teams * maintain existing systems * do speculative development * pay the “organizational tax”

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        2. Patrick McKenzie‏ @patio11 Apr 28
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          And you need one engineering team for everything you do. So if you do a lot of things, well, there you go. Some orgs have smaller scopes for a team. Some have larger. But if your business requires you to interface with mobile carriers in Southeast Asia, well, who owns that?

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        3. Patrick McKenzie‏ @patio11 Apr 28
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          Incidentally, you can trivially estimate the cost of an engineering team at single digit million dollars. There exist some services whose value prop is “If you use this, save yourself one engineering team or even an engineering sub org.” They’re all underpriced.

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        2. Mahmoud‏ @themooouud Apr 29
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          What does “pay the organizational tax” mean?

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        3. Patrick McKenzie‏ @patio11 Apr 29
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          The overhead cost for maintaining the organization itself, everything from performance reviews to interviewing to attending all-hands meetings to expense reports to...

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        1. John Kennedy‏ @CommerceJohn Apr 29
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        2. DeanLJ‏ @DeanLJ Apr 29
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          Also very important... business continuity considerations. Spread the knowledge, increase redundancy.

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        3. DeanLJ‏ @DeanLJ Apr 29
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          And of course employee welfare which you alluded to... Spread the load to rotate in/out of pressure periods (on call etc)

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        1. Joe Faith‏ @joedotfaith Apr 29
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          Also, bus factor

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        1. Baby Yoda, web dev‏ @DudeWithModem Apr 29
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          Oh boy Patrick, I'm currently doing all of those things as a single individual developer and how I wish I had 7 other people to coordinate with on this :)

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        1. Chris Cooney‏ @chris_cooney Apr 29
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          I don't think it's true that you *need* it as a function of size. It's a side effect of how we're used to working right now. Many of these orgs also have one person juggernauts who hold dozens of teams together by sheer force of will.

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