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I work for the Internet, at @stripe, mostly on accelerating startups. Opinions here are my own.

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    Patrick McKenzie‏ @patio11 Apr 28
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    Inspired by a thread on HN incredulous about engineering headcount at a large software company: The biggest thing people don’t appreciate about large companies is the basic productive unit isn’t an individual it is an engineering team with about ~8 members.

    10:42 PM - 28 Apr 2020
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      2. Patrick McKenzie‏ @patio11 Apr 28
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        You need a team, and not an individual, because you need to be able to: * give vacation * rotate a pager * mentor junior engineers * do professional development * interface with other teams * maintain existing systems * do speculative development * pay the “organizational tax”

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      3. Patrick McKenzie‏ @patio11 Apr 28
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        And you need one engineering team for everything you do. So if you do a lot of things, well, there you go. Some orgs have smaller scopes for a team. Some have larger. But if your business requires you to interface with mobile carriers in Southeast Asia, well, who owns that?

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      4. Patrick McKenzie‏ @patio11 Apr 28
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        Incidentally, you can trivially estimate the cost of an engineering team at single digit million dollars. There exist some services whose value prop is “If you use this, save yourself one engineering team or even an engineering sub org.” They’re all underpriced.

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      2. Kai‏ @kaixi Apr 29
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        Replying to @patio11

        @danluu wrote a great essay on this: https://danluu.com/sounds-easy/ 

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      3. Patrick McKenzie‏ @patio11 Apr 29
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        Replying to @kaixi @danluu

        Few of my thoughts have not been articulated in more depth by Dan. At least it gives me something to shoot for ;)

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      2. Fareed Mosavat‏ @far33d Apr 28
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        Not to mention that every single feature you've ever created will require maintenance, upgrades, feature requests, bug fixes.... forever.

        4 replies 1 retweet 94 likes
      3. Simon Willison‏Verified account @simonw Apr 28
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        There's also the feature matrix challenge: Features interact with each other - so if you have ten features and add an eleventh, that's ten new inter-feature-interactions you have to think about.

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      2. David Garsia‏ @davidgarsia Apr 28
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        Replying to @patio11

        The Romans already understood this: the contubernium, their smallest organized unit of soldiers, consisted of 8 legionaries.

        3 replies 0 retweets 55 likes
      3. kristina‏ @kchodorow Apr 29
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        For code review purposes.

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      2. i make  🦄 robots  🦄‏ @lkngrrr Apr 28
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        Holy shit, this. “It only took one guy to build this app on my phone” Great bro, we have 50+ always-on microservices solving non-deterministic optimization problems. There just might be a little more complexity there. Also, tech debt costs so much more to pay off.

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      3. gato‏ @_cat_turner Apr 28
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        That last statement is so true

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