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I work for the Internet, at @stripe, mostly on accelerating startups. Opinions here are my own.

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    1. Tyler Tringas‏ @tylertringas Apr 14
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      Just me or is 2FA still basically unsolved? SMS is too easily hackable but Auth apps are tied to your physical lose-able phone. Best solution we've got is printing out recovery codes on dead tree paper and saving them in the bank vault that we all obviously have?

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      Patrick McKenzie‏ @patio11 Apr 14
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      Replying to @tylertringas

      FIDO keys are really good where they're supported. One on your person (or in your workspace), one in your safe deposit box. I like them fractionally more than phone authenticator apps because easier to recover from loss and effectively interception-proof.

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        2. Patrick McKenzie‏ @patio11 Apr 14
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          Replying to @patio11 @tylertringas

          Reasonably high confidence but not 100% on this: You can be phished for a one-use code from an authenticator app but you effectively can't be phished for a FIDO operation, contingent on the service you're using being competent.

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        3. STAY HOME | SOCIAL DISTANCE‏ @AdsAmateur Apr 14
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          because a FIDO key is also paired to the websites TLS certificate?

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        1. Andrew L. Johnson‏ @andrewljohnson Apr 14
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          Why are they easier to recover, vs two phones equipped with app... just wondering?

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        2. Domen Kožar‏ @domenkozar Apr 14
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          Replying to @patio11 @tylertringas

          Don't you need both keys around when pairing a website? That means you can only pair (with a backup) if deposit box is around.

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        3. Surreal Jones‏ @surrealjones Apr 14
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          Every site I've seen that lets you have multiple keys lets you add them non-simultaneously. Alas, some sites (incl. this one) only let you have one key.

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        1.  🇳🇿 Greg Fawcett‏ @VIG_Greg Apr 14
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          Replying to @patio11 @tylertringas

          Agree on FIDO being current best solution. Coverage is growing, but wish more services supported it.

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        1. luciperidone‏ @luciperidone Apr 14
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          FIDO keys are good if you have a single high-value service, but IMO the "keep a second copy I'm the safe" approach breaks down if you want to use them for everything.

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