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I work for the Internet, at @stripe, mostly on accelerating startups. Opinions here are my own.

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    Patrick McKenzie‏ @patio11 Feb 25
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    What I really want for Google Docs isn't "Here are some suggested edits" or "Have you considered the git + patches model, but for English?", but rather "Here's an alternative vision of this part of the piece; let's talk about it and align on a path forward."

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      2. Patrick McKenzie‏ @patio11 Feb 25
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        I think the edit-a-sentence-at-a-time model tempts users into doing something that might be quite value-destructive, simply because (for Google) it is easier to imagine as a UX and (for users) it leaves an obvious virtual paper trail of Real Work Happening Here, Can You Feel It.

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      3. Patrick McKenzie‏ @patio11 Feb 25
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        Stepping back to a broader point: Just like we don't naturally have a great frame of reference for how much good software can do, I think we don't appreciate how many thousands of years of human life are frittered away due to software which incentivizes doing the wrong thing.

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      2. Deedy‏ @debarghya_das Feb 25
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        Replying to @patio11

        Are you envisioning something different from the suggest feature on docs? It's not great, but most of the functionality you describe is possible with suggestions and comments right?

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      3. Patrick McKenzie‏ @patio11 Feb 25
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        Basically everything about suggestions/comments is designed to cause me to fail in the task of saying "This is currently a 6. I think there is an alternate version which is a 9. Here is a sketch of that alternate version and my rationale for it. Should we invest in filling it in"

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      2. Lorenzo Castro‏ @Lorenzo__TF Feb 25
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        This is why I find collaborating on text in @NotionHQ so much better. 1 paragraph = 1 block and you can comment/discuss at a block level And it makes formatting & iterating on orders of paragraphs super simple

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      3. Lorenzo Castro‏ @Lorenzo__TF Feb 25
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        Replying to @Lorenzo__TF @patio11 @NotionHQ

        Biggest downsides are related to copy/pasting text in & out of a Notion document

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      2. Shane Burkhart‏ @Shane__Burkhart Feb 25
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        Replying to @patio11

        Exactly. We don’t need a document diff, we need a document approval and collaboration workflow. With versioning and maybe immutability.

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      3. Shane Burkhart‏ @Shane__Burkhart Feb 25
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        Replying to @Shane__Burkhart @patio11

        Because we were spoiled with git diffs, I think that’s the first feature that comes to mind when thinking git for business documents. But really pull requests and branching are the needed pieces

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      1. Somnolence‏ @nomsolence Feb 25
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        For a bit there I thought you were talking about how an algorithm should suggest edits.

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      1. Josh Duff‏ @TehShrike Feb 25
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        Tangentially, I've edited a book in git, and sadly git+Github's pull request UI really falls down when you have 100 pull requests. The web UI gets slow, you have to reload pages a lot, and if you have multiple sentences per line you end up with conflicts

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