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    1. Patrick McKenzie‏ @patio11 Feb 13
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      Inbox (paraphrase): "I'm an engineer considering a switch to PM. Which gets paid more?" That's a potentially useful and nuanced question, so. My ambient impression is that, at high status employers, engineers get paid more than PMs, materially so, early in their careers.

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    2. Garrett Maring‏ @garrettmaring Feb 13
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      PMs tell engineers what to do. Engineers do it. I don’t see how, from a business perspective, PMs could have a higher ceiling than engineers

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      Patrick McKenzie‏ @patio11 Feb 13
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      I think the truth of that generalization depends an awful lot on where you're working and what you're working on.

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        2. Garrett Maring‏ @garrettmaring Feb 13
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          Replying to @patio11

          It is definitely a generalization and I appreciate that you called that out. I’ve just always found that those in the trenches have a better understanding of how to move forward.

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        3. Are Yu Cold?‏ @yuarecold Feb 13
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          Iappreciate engineer contribution 110%, but the best engineer working on the wrong problem is not having impact.

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        2. Kojo STAY AT HOME Idrissa‏ @transitionswpz Feb 13
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          Hi, former accountant w/ an MBA here. From a business perspective: 1 PM often tells MULTIPLE engineers what to do. 1 engineer does 1 engineers work. Also: 1 PM may M many Ps. Each w/ a PAYING client. Lot of value there. YMMV, as Patrick said.

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          1 engineer can also be a client of multiple pms

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        2. Graham Lea‏ @evolvable Feb 14
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          I’ve seen A LOT of situations where engineers told the PM what needed to be done, because what the PM said to do made very little sense.

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          I would like to think it’s more “engineers help PMs understand what’s possible/viable/valuable in the technical context, so PMs can better prioritise based on their understanding of the business context”. Ideally it’s not at all adversarial.

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        1. Mathijs van den Bergh‏ @vdB_Mathijs Feb 14
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          Areas where "supervisors" are often paid less than their direct reports: sales managers and people who manage trading desks. Suspect that the easier it is to assess individual contributor value, the more likely this is.

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        1. Tim Brennan‏ @timothyfbrennan Feb 14
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          I think there’s also usually more opportunity for a good PM to have a multiplier effect on a larger group. Flexing that value raises the ceiling quite a bit.

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