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I work for the Internet, at @stripe, mostly on accelerating startups. Opinions here are my own.

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    Patrick McKenzie‏ @patio11 Jan 20
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    Patrick McKenzie Retweeted Dan Romero

    There are a lot of these fascinating accidents in the world, and people are keen to reach for “Americans have a vastly different culture with respect to, you know” and don’t generally reach for “You need a high-amp electrical outlet you probably don’t have next to the toilet.”https://twitter.com/dwr/status/1219413371704901632 …

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    Dan Romero @dwr
    Why aren’t Japanese-style toilets more popular outside of Japan?
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      2. Patrick McKenzie‏ @patio11 Jan 20
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        In a world where appreciable portion of homebuyers want Japanese toilets (I.e. Japan) all your new construction gets those outlets because why not, it’s practically free at construction time, but if you are not already there, then installing one is (I am reliably informed) a PITA

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      3. Patrick McKenzie‏ @patio11 Jan 20
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        There are other parts of the Japanese construction market that are relevant here, like e.g. construction cycle in Tokyo has replaced most buildings twice since toilets went electric but median residence in Chicago probably 100 years old.

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      4. Patrick McKenzie‏ @patio11 Jan 20
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        P.S. If you’re ever redoing your bathroom a) get the outlet, practically free and future proofs the house on this and b) I will not wax eloquent on this topic but suffice it to say this technology is underadopted.

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      2. Paul Roales‏ @PaulRoales Jan 20
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        Replying to @patio11

        Wait why does a Toto more than a few amps peak?

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      3. Patrick McKenzie‏ @patio11 Jan 20
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        Don't know! Repeating something I was told by someone I believe credible on this topic.

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      2. Colin Percival‏ @cperciva Jan 20
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        Replying to @patio11

        Dumb question, but why an outlet rather than hard wired? Seems like an outlet is simply an extra point of failure; installing a toilet is already enough work that I'd assume pulling the circuit out of the wall wouldn't be much trouble...?

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      3. Alexandre アレックス Mercier  🦩‏ @cyberflamingo Jan 20
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        Replying to @cperciva @patio11

        Despite the high penetration rate of washlet in JP, not everybody has it. Specially in "manshion" like were I live, you can add it as on option that you buy yourself. Having an outlet is easier to setup and replace. That said I've seen high end places where it's all integrated.

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      2. Utsav Ahuja‏ @avastu Jan 20
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        Even basic seat bidets, which need no power, cost $25, and take < 15 minutes to install are not popular here, though. And, if not having an outlet was the main reason, wouldn’t we see modern homes adding plugs near the toilet? I do feel in this case the discrepancy is cultural.

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      3. Nicolas Nowinski‏ @nicknow Jan 20
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        Not really, the basic bidet isn't a great enough leap to cross the threshold for something different. Modern homes don't add the plug because the demand isn't there, which means people don't install them and the demand never gets created so the outlets never get installed.

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      2. Pawan Dubey‏ @thepawandubey Jan 20
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        My hypothesis is that it's some kind of complex against bidets in general. Bidets have been around for over a century and longer in earlier forms and North America still insists on dry sheets of paper for this purpose. This isn't a technology issue.

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      3. Brian  🇲🇽 🇮🇱‏ @SpeakingBee Jan 20
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        Replying to @thepawandubey @patio11

        At national parks, rangers have to patrol specifically to remind American backpackers to pack out toilet paper in a bag. Every one is carrying water bottles that can be used as bidets with a 5 cent attachment, but they all want to carry poop paper in the pack with their food.

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