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I work for the Internet, at @stripe, mostly on accelerating startups. Opinions here are my own.

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    Patrick McKenzie‏ @patio11 5 Nov 2019
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    I learned the other day that I've been using "c.f." wrongly for so long, and it is so ingrained into my online writing habits, that I'm strongly considering saying "Eff it, linguistic descriptivism means never having to say you're sorry." c.f.https://stancarey.wordpress.com/2010/02/16/descriptivism-vs-prescriptivism-war-is-over-if-you-want-it/ …

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      1. Patrick McKenzie‏ @patio11 5 Nov 2019
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        "That's not how it is used in Latin!" I know but all native speakers of Latin are dead. If you want the culture that is Latin to continue echoing down through the ages, you're going to want to have it applied to Internet-driven needs like c.f. this link.

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      2. Omer van Kloeten @  🏡 😷‏ @omervk 6 Nov 2019
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        But what is it supposed to mean?

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      3. Patrick McKenzie‏ @patio11 6 Nov 2019
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        Approximately "See this citation."

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      2. alth0u  😷 🏠‏ @alth0u 6 Nov 2019
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        Wait wow are you using it as "see reference"?

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      3. Patrick McKenzie‏ @patio11 6 Nov 2019
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        Yes, and a quick grep suggests that I have been doing that for 10+ years, several hundred times.

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      1. Durchlass Kilometer 5,698‏ @emareaf 6 Nov 2019
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        Wiktionary tells me that c.f. is the wrong abbreviation of confer so prescriptivism has no claim on that string anyway.

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      1. José Luis Ricón Fernández de la Puente‏ @ArtirKel 5 Nov 2019
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        It's a common enough use to use it as 'see X'

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      1. Jonathan Brinley‏ @jbrinley 6 Nov 2019
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        So "c.f." means both "here is something supporting my argument" and "here is something contrasting with my argument". I will through it in the "no longer meaningful" bucket next to "bimonthly".

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