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I work for the Internet, at @stripe, mostly on accelerating startups. Opinions here are my own.

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    Patrick McKenzie‏ @patio11 24 Sep 2019
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    Patrick McKenzie Retweeted Jason  ✨BeKind ✨ Lemkin

    Even the industries which adopted software early, and which make material use of it, and spent billions of dollars on it, have *very bad* software in those places that they have formal software... and have little formal software relative to API spec by memo and Excel file.https://twitter.com/jasonlk/status/1176516197548007424 …

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    Jason  ✨BeKind ✨ Lemkin @jasonlk
    There are days I wonder if we almost have enough software Then you get out into the real world, and you see how terrible software is in so many industries And you see in so many enterprises, they are still running on ancient systems And you realize there is plenty of room
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      2. Anne Johnson‏ @annejohn 24 Sep 2019
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        mostly they don't have any idea what formal software is, nor any understanding of the tradeoffs between correct specifications, testing, and ongoing maintenance

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      3. Matt Parrilla‏ @mattparrilla 24 Sep 2019
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        I'm unfamiliar with the term "formal software" myself. Does this wikipedia article on "Formal Methods" describe what you both mean by it? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formal_methods … If not, can you define?

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      2. Richard Tibbetts‏ @tibbetts 24 Sep 2019
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        Domain expertise beats software engineering in most situations. Excel lets domain experts wing it and get stuff done.

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      3. c9n‏ @ChrisEsplin 25 Sep 2019
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        This is so underrated. I started as a domain expert and outperformed our software team with Excel. Then I taught myself to code and wrote absolute garbage code that lasted for years because it was so accurate to the domain's needs.

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      2. Saul Lieberman‏ @Saul_Lieberman 24 Sep 2019
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        ...and your explanation of the phenomenon?

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      3. David Cournapeau‏ @cournape 24 Sep 2019
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        People close to the business (making $$) are not engineers, and excel is very difficult to beat in those environments. If most of your money making people are not engineers, you don’t want to optimize for formal systems.

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      2. Daniel HB‏ @DanielHoffmann_ 24 Sep 2019
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        A friend of mine completely revamped the way a huge paper manufacturing company worked by automating and creating several new reports using the power of excel Visual Basic for Applications. He wasn't even a professional programmer, more of a hobbyist.

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      3. Daniel HB‏ @DanielHoffmann_ 24 Sep 2019
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        I am currently working in the Machining business (think cutting metal pieces using "robot" arms with drills), the software they use is soooooo bad. Almost all of them are windows desktop only or especialized microcontroller software from the 80s

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      1. Josh Winters‏ @J_B_Winters 24 Sep 2019
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        How much of this is limited because of the concept of trade secrets? Arbitrary founder is unlikely to see these spreadsheets/process directly. Surely there is some reason these supposedly inefficient methods have not been improved yet.

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